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| Posted: Mon May 25th, 2009 02:39 pm |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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I am known to be crazy with ideas among my friends..so I will throw another crazy idea to you: What do you guys think if you were to make a Violin the usual way...with wood...and place the violin bridge on TOP of a python skin that is placed over a hollowed violin body? Think of the possiblities! You will get a full range of a violin but with Erhu's amazingly unique tone. Imagine a world class Violinist playing it. Wow! Mozart will be proud, I'm sure. Last edited on Mon May 25th, 2009 02:41 pm by Shanghai Angels |
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| Posted: Mon May 25th, 2009 04:44 pm |
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Fascinating idea! That would really be interesting. Some issues that I can see would need to be addressed: 1. Many erhu makers consider the closer the resonator to a circular shape, the better the resonating of the python skin. The unique violin body shape would make it difficult in that perspective. 2. Violin body is significantly larger than the erhu resonator, thus requiring a larger python skin. 3. The larger python skin surface area tends to lead to more muffled voice and less responsiveness, as we see in the progression from erhu to zhonghu and to gehu. 4. Violin transmits the vibration from the front of the body to the back of the body sound post, a wooden stick held by the tension of the two surfaces, and its position has significant influence on the timbre. Sound post would not work well on python skin, and might even hamper the vibration of the python skin. 5. Significant part of erhu's unique sound as well as its playing techniques are the direct attribute of the suspended strings without sound board, contrary to violin. Where do we strike the compromise? Despite the challenges, I think this is still a fascinating idea! Some workarounds probably already exist; problem 2-3 may be mitigated with the recent R&D using synthetic python skin. See HKCO's website regarding their hu-family instrument R&D: http://www.hkco.org/eng/learning_inst_2_1_eng.asp http://www.ezfolk.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=6916&forum_id=50&highlight=gehu Other issues are probably readily solvable, we just have to decide where to draw the line and where to compromise. The final instrument, I suspect, would not really be a marriage between violin and erhu, but rather would become an unique instrument of its own right, hopefully retaining all the best characteristics of both instruments. Any thoughts?
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| Posted: Mon May 25th, 2009 05:21 pm |
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that first article you link to mentions in section V. about the internal curvature of the erhu sound box. any idea what shape and depth of curvature is really inside one? I havent taken one apart and often wonder if the interior is also shaped. Den
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| Posted: Mon May 25th, 2009 10:20 pm |
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I'm not sure, but I wonder if a skin could stand up to the pressure of 4 violin/fiddle strings tuned to pitch. Remember, the next to highest pitched string on the fiddle is tuned to an actual A = 440Hz (the A above middle C). Even the wooden top of the fiddle uses a soundpost under the E string to help keep it from collapsing (although that is the secondary function). Banjos use skin heads, but they are mammal hides, which are probably thicker and stronger than python skins. Just my thoughts.
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| Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 04:15 am |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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ychent...very interesting thoughts from you! I know I am crazy to think of such an idea..but it is good to be crazy sometimes, ya? :-) Yes...the violin sting tension may be too tight for the snake skin to contain. :-(
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| Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 05:45 am |
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Den Approved
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as long as it is an invention of something new, try to use just a couple of erhu size segments of skin where the bridges would park, 2 strings for each skin. a small area of python surrounded with the violin regular surface. Den
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| Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 06:42 am |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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Den...the skin needs resonate freely...not on the violin regular surface. How else can we get the unique erhu tone?
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| Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 10:20 am |
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Den Approved
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cut the hole through the body at that point and fit in the stretched skin. at the bridge. let the violin body be the enclosed sound box. the sound wouldnt be identical to erhu, this is a New instrument remember? Last edited on Tue May 26th, 2009 10:23 am by Den |
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| Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 10:22 am |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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the bridge will need to sit on the skin.
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| Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 10:24 am |
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Den Approved
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that is what I said, fit in the skin, where the bridges would park. a corresponding hole at that location to fit in the skin over it.
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| Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 11:05 am |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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Den...how big should the hole be?
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| Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 03:33 pm |
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ychent Approved
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It will need to be bigger than regular erhu's surface in order to enhance the resonation of the lower strings.
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| Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 03:53 pm |
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Den Approved
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well, the hole would have to be,,, smaller than the violin.
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| Posted: Tue May 26th, 2009 04:06 pm |
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ychent Approved
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Is there a way we can use the soundpost in order to use the posterior surface for vibration as well?
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| Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 03:42 am |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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It's great to see so many enthusiastic response over this Erlin.If it could be done, imagine if the same thing done for Viola, Cello and Double Bass! Then you'll have the Erla, Erlo, Erbass! yes...I am crazy.
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| Posted: Wed May 27th, 2009 05:34 am |
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Den Approved
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seems like a better quest than was the slinky.
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| Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 12:50 pm |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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The HK chinese Orchestra used sinthetic skin for their GEHU. Perhaps a synthetic skin can used for the ERLIN too?
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| Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 05:44 pm |
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ychent Approved
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I think the term "viohu" might be more fitting for this invention, since we are under the intention to fit it with 4 strings instead of two.
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| Posted: Thu May 28th, 2009 07:00 pm |
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mikebgn Approved
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The Erlin Viohu ! Patent pending million dollar design...goes to wheover makes the 1st working prototype! Last edited on Thu May 28th, 2009 07:05 pm by mikebgn |
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| Posted: Sat May 30th, 2009 07:19 pm |
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reber Approved
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This got me to wondering what bowing a guitar with a resonator would sound like, so I tried it. Pretty interesting sound. I would think you could use both the original bridge and one on the snake skin, would take a lot of the pressure off yet you could have enough to resonate.
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