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| Posted: Mon May 18th, 2009 09:02 pm |
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huqiner Approved
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There is a piece which is played on a qianjin-less erhu, called "Tán Yuè" (弹乐), literally "playing music", but apparently actually means Pingtan music or a tune of Pingtan. Pingtan is a type of storytelling music from Suzhou in Jiangsu province in China. This erhu piece is composed by Sun Wenming (孙文明, 1928-1962). This piece is unique in the erhu reportoire, as it is played, apparently, on an erhu without a qianjin. According to a CD liner notes, it's influenced by the playing style of the sanxian (3 string plucked lute) used in Pingtan. This is Sun Wenming playing the piece, it must have been recorded before 1963: http://flameupload.com/files/BNZNXLZT/t__n_yu__________A_Tune_of_Pingtan_-_S__n_W__nm__ng__________.mp3 Played by Sun Huang: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqW37xoq8js There was a version played by Song Fei on Youtube, but I can't seem to find now, maybe it's been removed.
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| Posted: Tue May 19th, 2009 06:20 pm |
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It looks like she is never playing a note on an open string except when she plucks the open strings for that low accent note.
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| Posted: Tue May 19th, 2009 09:57 pm |
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There are a few open outer string notes, but a lot less than that low inner open string note, I thinks it's bowed not plucked. The first few lines: 
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| Posted: Tue May 19th, 2009 10:55 pm |
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This is a very cool tune. Is the score available for download somewhere? It does look and sound to me that Sun Huang is plucking the low D. UPDATE: Nevermind, I found the score: http://jp.gdjyw.com/newjp1/127-3858.html Thanks. Best wishes, David Last edited on Tue May 19th, 2009 11:17 pm by davidmdahl |
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| Posted: Wed May 20th, 2009 12:33 am |
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huqiner Approved
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Good searching! Yeah, it's got a great melody, although the piece is slightly repetitive, but it has tremendous "flavour". I've just watched the two videos by Sun Huang and Song Fei again, and also listened to Sun Wenming's recording. My guess is that it's bowed, but it's just a guess, I've only ever heard or seen this piece from these three sources. Song Fei has less of the fingers-flinging-off-the-strings movement that Sun Huang has, I think it's a difference in playing style. The note sounds to me it's bowed with a heavy accent and a sharp attack, it doesn't have the sort of muted sound I'd think you would get with plucking with a left hand finger. Also, the score doesn't indicate any plucking.
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| Posted: Fri May 29th, 2009 06:42 am |
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davidmdahl Approved
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I asked my teacher about Tan Yue, and he agrees with you huqiner that the low note is bowed staccato and is not plucked. Now I have to get the score printed off. He likes the tune too! Thanks for bringing this fun tune to our attention. Best wishes, David
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| Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 04:17 am |
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huqiner Approved
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I'm glad you like it. Version played by Song Fei: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhVTtzlgJE I found it again but I wasn't searching for it. If I search using the name of the video given on the page (宋飞 弹乐), the results doesn't show the video, it only shows Sun Huang's version; strange. Sun Wenming's "Song of Flowing Waves" (Liú bō qǔ 流波曲) from 1952 is probably his better known erhu piece. The erhu is tuned very low. The score says 1=A, open strings sol re, tuned to E, B. I wonder is it played on a standard erhu with erquan strings, or an erquan erhu, or on a zhonghu?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 06:00 am |
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davidmdahl Approved
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I did not make the connection. Thanks for the reminder of this other tune by Sun Wenming. I have it from my teacher as Liu Puo Qu "Song of the Running River" but I like your title. Here is a beautiful performance: http://v.ku6.com/show/Kn5_MJHnGmKm2fyt.html The erhu in this performance is tuned to F/C, down just a step from a typical erquan erhu. I think that Liu Puo Qu is meant to be played either with an erquan erhu, or a standard erhu with erquan strings. It would have to be a terrific zhonghu that could be played well in the upper positions. Best wishes, David
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| Posted: Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 04:46 pm |
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I've had a look at the score in another book and it says 1=B flat, open strings sol re, tuned to F and C, same as your example. The title in pinyin romanisation should be "Liu Bo Qu", as far as I can tell anyway. The English title is my literal translation. These are the English titles from my CDs: Ripple's Feeling Song Of Flowing Billows Song of Wandering Tune of Flowing Water Waves Song of the Flowing Ripples Waves Rhythm of the Vagrant Life I haven't seen the video as I'm on dial-up at the moment. I've already got several recordings of the piece and also a video from a how to play the erhu VCD. With Youtube videos I can download using http://www.downloader9.com. Anyway I prefer to have a video saved to my computer. I'll have to search around to find out if it's possible to download from Chinese video sharing sites. Sites like Tudou and Youku have lots of traditional Chinese music videos. Last edited on Wed Jun 3rd, 2009 05:06 pm by huqiner |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13th, 2009 12:07 am |
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davidmdahl Approved
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Last night at my erhu lesson, my teacher started me working on Tan Yue. For convenience, we are playing with a qianjin in the key of D, with the erhu tuned as usual to D/A. It may not have all of the mojo of playing without the qianjin, but it appears to be a lot easier to play, and is still quite fun and effective. The low 1 and 5 notes are plucked and bowed at the same time on the respective string. This seems to work well, but I need some practice with the technique. The tune so far seems to be the erhu version of a tongue-twister, or patting the top of my head and rubbing my stomach at the same time. It is a fun tune! Best wishes, David
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 04:03 am |
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huqiner Approved
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It's great you're learning the piece. I guess playing it with the standard erhu setup will make it sound quite different. Last edited on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 04:05 am by huqiner |
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