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| I tied Qianjin high up! | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 07:26 am |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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After much thought...I decided to tie the Qinjing as high as possible in my lovely Zhonghu. The immediate result is a more brilliant round tone...easier to play the higher notes, louder, more sensitivity when bowing, more resonance. The strings also became stiffer...in a good way! Very good! A bigger finger stretch is needed of course...but the higher notes became soooooo easy to play especially when you have bigger fingers like me. I should have followed Master Xu-KE's approach with tying the Qianjin way up the neck a long time ago. You should try it, guys. I will next try it on my 2 other Erhu's. Please try it and report on how it goes for you. We must help each other here, yes?  Last edited on Tue May 12th, 2009 07:27 am by Shanghai Angels |
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| Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 12:18 pm |
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ychent Approved 
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Thanks for the report! I would like to try it as well. On a separate note, since you have a zhonghu, I was wondering if you've ever tried using zhonghu strings on an erhu? I was just wondering if it would be like using erquan strings on regular erhu, and what might be the difference.
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| Posted: Tue May 12th, 2009 05:49 pm |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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I doubt it'll sound good with Zhonghu strings on erhu...but if you use erhu strings on Zhonghu it should be good.
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| Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 06:25 am |
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ychent Approved
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I've tried tying the qianjin all the way up at the neck before, and tuned the erhu to G-D like Master Xu Ke, but the strings became very unresponsive and overly soft to the touch. Using erquan strings brought better string tension and responsiveness, but the sound was less optimal. I haven't tried zhonghu strings yet. I would love to hear what everyone's experience is, if anyone has tried similar experiments.
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| Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 09:14 am |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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Zhonghu strings are thicker and stiffer...hence the deeper and thicker tone.Always ensure that the Qinjin is tightly secured around the strings...and not too loose.
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| Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 09:43 am |
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davidmdahl Approved
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I was playing zhonghu quite a bit in my teacher's ensemble, but after installing erquan strings on my second erhu, I have put the zhonghu away. With the erquan strings, I really have the best of both worlds (sorry Hannah MT haters <g> . The sound is deep and rich and yet most of the sensitivity and clarity of an erhu is there. I do not claim that every erhu is suitable for erquan strings, but my second erhu is an extraordinary instrument and the strings happen to match it very well. I tried another brand of strings without quite the success, so the 'right' strings are important. I am not the least bit interested in trying zhonghu strings on my erhu. I would not want to give up the sensitivity. They are really a lot more work. I suppose erquan strings on the zhonghu would be an interesting test. So far I am so happy with my erquan erhu that I am not too anxious to risk the strings on the switch. Best wishes, David
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| Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 09:52 am |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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It's true that you have to use more effort to play zhonghu strings...but you do get deeper and rounder tone vs a sweeter but thinner er hu tone. We can't have everything in life...as it is all about compromise. Has anyone tried Erhu stings on a Zhonghu?
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| Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 08:39 pm |
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ychent Approved
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davidmdahl wrote: ......my second erhu is an extraordinary instrument...... Please post pictures and sound clips! 
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| Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 05:06 am |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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Guys...I have tied the Qianjin high up on my 2 Erhus. The sound is noticeably LOUDER and brighter. It sounds as loud as 2 erhus playing together. HIgh notes are not so squeeky now as the longer scale length means the strings have more resonance and it gives more depth to the tone.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 10:41 am |
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tansungwah Approved 
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Yes it gives more volume and brightness, which means a harder tone as well. And you have a bigger stretch. By the way your bridges are on the way....in an envelope addressed to Amanda! SW
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20th, 2009 05:57 pm |
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Clyde Approved 
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NOTE ! Beginners, use a comfortable range to set your Qain Jing, practice your scales and stretch your fingers daily, you can do this anywhere. As time goes on you can increase your distance on the Qain Jing. God Bless
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21st, 2009 06:03 pm |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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SW...I am sure Amanda will be thrilled to receive them.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27th, 2009 06:17 pm |
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woodstock Approved
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I just heard “On the Grassland” played on a zhonghu. It really sounds good. Does anybody have the score on this piece?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28th, 2009 07:47 am |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 07:28 am |
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vvn Approved 
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I was testing tying the qin jing as high as I can on my Sou Zhou erhu. The sound is more nasal.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 09:04 am |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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vvn...when i did the same...the erhu tone became brighter and more open.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11th, 2009 01:56 pm |
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Clyde Approved
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As you go along you will learn all to well that anything you do like distance and even bridges aswell as dampers even string types all these have a more profound effect on your tone and sound proportion. So, if your tone is brighter and your satisfied with the type of strings you are using then you must work with your types of bridges both sizes and shapes as well not just different materials, example: a rectangular hard Oak wood bridge has an effect on mellowing out the harsh sharp sound of the snake skin. This is just an example there is much more to this subject all of which is impossible for me to get into now. When you start searching for tone and sound at first it can be quite a challenge, however the more you do it the more you grow accustom to just what you have to do to get what you want. God Bless Last edited on Fri Sep 11th, 2009 02:12 pm by Clyde |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12th, 2009 03:44 pm |
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Shanghai Angels Approved
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Good point, Clyde! We need to try out all possibilites in the quest for improving the Erhu tone.
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