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AllenZ Approved 
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Hey guys, I ran into articles on Japanese musicians using Liquid Rosin on their Kokyu bows (the Japanese three stringed Erhu-ise thing). So even use drops of it on their guitar picks for extra grip. Anyone use anything like this? Sung Wah, Clyde? It sounds good to use because the liquid would make applying rosin an ease and in its liquid form it would easily spread evenly and throughly. I guess it wouldn't clump up like Rosin powder too.... Some negative factors might be that I guess the liquid can trap dust and dirt more easily? Observations, opinions? Attachment: thm-k07_03.jpg (Downloaded 99 times)
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Bayun Approved 
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Sounds similar to liquid pine tar that I use on the handle of baseball bats for better grip on gamedays. That is thinned with terpentine. How ever liquid rosin is made, I am sure it also has some thinner liquid chemical that might be harmful to bowhair. Test in on the neighbor's cat before applying! 
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AllenZ Approved
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Rosin is made out of pine. I think it might be almost the same as your liquid pine tar.... LoL. That thing is priced at 1,900 Yen, roughly around $18 bucks with pricey overseas shipping.... too rich for my blood and to try on the neighbor's cat. The Japanese musicians use it on their kokyo bows, those things are like $190 for a bow. You better tell them the liquid rosin might damage them. Hahahaha~
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dsouthwood Approved 
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Trying to find information on liquid rosin online, all I came up with was rosin used as a flux for soldering. But I did learn that the solvent for rosin is turpentine. In fact, solid rosin is made by cooking off the turpentine. It should be easy enough to reverse the process and redisolve the rosin. Art supply stores have highly refined turpentine for their oil paint customers; according to what I read online, Venetian turpentine is best. I have an old bow that I never got rid of. I'll try it on that and see what happens. Dennis
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AllenZ Approved
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Cool Dennis, thanks for taking one for the team and investigate. Give us a review, lets see if liquid rosin is any better.
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Clyde Approved 
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God Bless Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2008 09:29 pm by Clyde |
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tansungwah Approved 
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I have no idea as well. Maybe I can find some answers when I go Beijing end of the month. Then again, its a Japanese product am I right? SW
____________________ Chinese Music Instruments Online store: http://www.eason.com.sg Chinese Music Instruments Blog: http://tansungwah.blogspot.com Online Erhu Course: http://learnerhu.wordpress.com |
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AllenZ Approved
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Correct. It's another Japanese product. I remember before someone on the board said JingHu players use melted rosin on the strings..... I guess its similar in idea, but with the bow this time.
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tansungwah Approved
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The jinghu melted rosin is an entirely different concept. They drip the rosin on the resonator so that when you bow the jinghu, you rosin the bow at the same time! Lazy people!
____________________ Chinese Music Instruments Online store: http://www.eason.com.sg Chinese Music Instruments Blog: http://tansungwah.blogspot.com Online Erhu Course: http://learnerhu.wordpress.com |
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AllenZ Approved
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Hey, if the liquid rosin works out good, it a big advantage for you and you company too Sung Wah. Think about the easy of just rosining bows using a liquid applicator and not to mention you don't need to breathe in all that 'nutritous' rosin. No more tired wrists from grinning that rosin case and less rosin lungs. LoL And they're not working lazy, just working smart. Hahaha~
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davidmdahl Approved
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I really don't see what is the trouble with conventional rosin. I do not find it inconvenient to use. I just started to use the "Song" rosin from Eason, and like it just fine. My teacher still prefers to use high quality European violin rosin. I am breaking in a new bow and rosined it from scratch. My teacher advised me against roughing up the rosin with a knife. This time I used about 100 up and back strokes per side and the result was a very even application of rosin. The sound has been very smooth. The time investment was between five and ten minutes. At this point, I am not a candidate for the liquid rosin. Best wishes, David
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dsouthwood Approved
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At my erhu lesson last night I mentioned the thing about jinghu players melting the rosin onto their instruments, and he confirmed that it was common in Chinese opera (he himself was a performer and composer in an opera company in China). He added that the jinghu players would also commonly cover their clothing with a large piece of cloth while playing to keep the rosin dust off their clothes. As to not breathing in the rosin dust with liquid rosin, I'm wondering if huffing turpentine instead would be an improvement or not  .Dennis
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AllenZ Approved
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Dave, Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying its an inconvience. I'm just say it might be a good alternative. Just exploring new processes to further ourselves. It's not like I'm starting a campaign against cake rosin. I myself have 5 cakes for my Erhu itself. Dennis, Sniffing turpentine? At least you'll feel better than sniffing rosin. LoL But seriously, before when you're messing around with it. As for the big cloth, I use shamisen cloth (its a long non-slip cloth we rest our instrument on so it doesn't slip since we have to play it on an angle) because I hate getting rosin on my jeans after my lessons.
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woodstock Approved
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Hi Allenz, The liquid rosin has to be hardened in order to grab the strings. So it is not totally dust free because when you play there still be rosin dust. I found this to be more of a nuisance than when I apply the rosin on the horsehair. Will
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Jeen Approved 
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Allenz Hi, this is interesting! First time I heard about liquid rosin. Actually， it is good to explore new things and if the price is reasonable, no harm trying it out. Unfortunately , it seems that the price is a bit too expensive.... 
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AllenZ Approved
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Hey Will, I thought about that point before, but that's in play compared to during application, I get a bunch of rosin flying around the air when I apply rosin, thinking the liquid would lessen that..... but nevertheless a good point to bring up, you can't avoid the play rosin. That's why like I said to Dennis, I always use a long non-slip performance cloth these days. Thanks Jeen, Always good to explore, that how we approve. If people didn't explore, we'll be still using clumsy silk strings for the Erhu these days. Yeah..... at around $20 bucks a pop, I could get like 4 cakes from Eason. Not to mention, Singapore's airmail is cheaper compared to Japan's.
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Clyde Approved
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God Bless Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2008 09:28 pm by Clyde |
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woodstock Approved
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Hi Allenz, Being a health freak, I am tried to avoid coming in contact with any chemical as much as possible. Whenever I go out to apply weed killer, I wear a pair of gloves. So when I apply rosin on the bow I turn on my vacuum cleaner. As you can imagine, all that extra powder will be sucked in by the vacuum cleaner. For extra measure, I push and pull the bow several times afterward. So the extra rosin would come off the bow. Will
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woodstock Approved
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Hi Allenz, Do you know what they mean by 三 度 in reference to erhu. I read this in the self taught book. Thanks. Will
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AllenZ Approved
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Hey Will, Are you refering to the Erhu Textbook from Wossing? If so, what page?
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