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| Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 07:43 pm |
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Ally Approved
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Please let me know the difference between a Jinhu and an erhu. Are they played pretty much the same way? Thanks.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 07:52 pm |
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I suggest checking http://www.wikipedia.org for the articles on erhu and jinghu. Comparison of the photos of the instruments and playing positions will answer a lot of questions. In general, the jinghu is more-or-less specifically an instrument for Beijing opera, while the erhu is used for a wide variety of music, including traditional and popular. Best wishes, David
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25th, 2008 11:37 pm |
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Aside from structural (shorter, non-python skin, bamboo resonation box, softer strings, hook Qianjing, bow structure) and sound (high but strong like Peking Opera) differences, the basic techniques are the same.... If you understand Mandarin, there's actually a quite few Jinghu Lessons (more than Erhu!) videos on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5B8ipgxKK0&feature=related Last edited on Tue Mar 25th, 2008 11:45 pm by AllenZ ____________________ To hell with circumstances. I create opportunities. "You're lucky Buddhism teaches freedom from desire, because I've got the desire to kick your ass!" 【温故知新】 「古きを尋ねて、新しきを知る」 |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 06:16 pm |
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God Bless Last edited on Thu Jul 10th, 2008 05:41 am by Clyde |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 07:50 pm |
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Hey Clyde, I'm not 100% sure what came first, but the JingHu is the youngest of the Hu Family since it was specifically invented during the Ching Dynasty during the Qianlong (1736 - 1796) years. It only has roughly 200 years of history compared to them. As for GaoHu, I believe they credit Cantonese Opera with the Southern Song (960 – 1279) Era. The tones of the JingHu mimic the singing voice of Peking Opera which is called the 皮黃腔 singing method.... Of course they tune it to the old Chinese 5 music tone method (equivalent to the modern 1 2 3 5 6, Do Re Mi So Ra) . I don't know what words they use for the Northern System. When they tune the Gaohu, usually they just sing 河 (E), 車 (A) to tune it by voice. I personally seen the Cantonese Opera musicians do it all the time. Actually a Gaohu player from one of Chinatown's Cantonese Opera Orchestra came over to my place once for dinner and he wanted to fiddle around with my Erhu since my parents wanted to sing. So I handed it over to him and asked if he needed my Korg Tuner, he laughed and just tuned it to voice.... LoL Pretty funny how he still played it Gaohu style with my average Erhu. Last edited on Wed Mar 26th, 2008 07:55 pm by AllenZ ____________________ To hell with circumstances. I create opportunities. "You're lucky Buddhism teaches freedom from desire, because I've got the desire to kick your ass!" 【温故知新】 「古きを尋ねて、新しきを知る」 |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 08:42 pm |
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Clyde Approved
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God Bless Last edited on Thu Jul 10th, 2008 05:41 am by Clyde |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 09:55 pm |
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Den Approved 
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Allenz, when your guest was there fiddlin with your average erhu, did you happen to notice or think, that maybe it sounded a trifle different to you than when you play your same one yourself? just a thought, my daughter and her boyfriend were here from Oregon a little while ago, and I had them investigating my erhu, and I got the first chance to hear it from a few feet away, and was interested how it sounded somehow different to me from that viewpoint. Den
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 10:05 pm |
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Den Approved
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Not related to the thread, and more of a nuisance question, but... erhu , gaohu , jinhu , zhanghu , banhu, and are there more others yet too? and with the word broke down into prefexes and suffixes, is there a sort of a commonly understood definition of the various prefexes like small bigger biggest larger largest or something? I think that these wide variety of prefexes to "hu" must have some kind of meaning. glad I aint too shy to ask outlandish questions. even though it shows my ingorance of the overall subject. Den
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 10:59 pm |
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Thanks Clyde, Always happy to take sometime to share since you guys shared so much already. Den, Funny thing, even in different rooms the Erhu sounds different. I think it might have to do with acoustics and even the room humidity. But since my guest was a Gaohu person, it was interesting how he adjusted his usual finger position and still managed to do Cantonese Opera tunes, but the guest and even my parents say the key is alittle bit lower but all they need to do is adjust the singing.... Not to mention, the skill counts. Me and the guest's level was as far as the sky to the ground. LoL As for "Hu" (胡), its just the word for the use to associate with fiddle when added with "Er" 二, "Jing" 京, or "Gao" 高 these days.... but however the real meaning isn't that. http://hk.dictionary.yahoo.com/search.html?q=1&s=%ADJ&Submit=+%ACd%A6r+ Here's what the dictionary says. I think its closer to definition number 2. Erhu means the "Two (Stringed) Import (Fiddle)". I guess they are just too lazy to call this instrument the whole thing: 二弦胡琴 or the Two Stringed Imported Fiddle = Er Xian Hu Qin. This is my opinion~
____________________ To hell with circumstances. I create opportunities. "You're lucky Buddhism teaches freedom from desire, because I've got the desire to kick your ass!" 【温故知新】 「古きを尋ねて、新しきを知る」 |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 11:33 pm |
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AllenZ Approved
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Almost forgot to answer this question. Regarding the Hu's I think aside from the well know ones you listened there's more local regional forms of it. These are the ones I know:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huqin
____________________ To hell with circumstances. I create opportunities. "You're lucky Buddhism teaches freedom from desire, because I've got the desire to kick your ass!" 【温故知新】 「古きを尋ねて、新しきを知る」 |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 12:33 am |
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Den Approved
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thanks allenz ah to be a time traveler and witness some of these instruments being "invented"
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| Posted: Mon Apr 7th, 2008 04:02 am |
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lalaland Approved 
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Hi everyone! I am new to this forum and I play the jinghu too. The way you hold the jinghu is slightly different form the way you hold the erhu. You place the jinghu on your lap nearest to the knee where you place the erhu near the waist. You have to tilt the jinghu slightly to the left and in order for the bow to be parallel to the bamboo resonation box, your right arm has to be lifted up higher. Jinghu is an accopaniment instrument in the peking oprea. An interesting fact is that the tuning of the instrument has to suit the oprea singers whom you perform with. Therefore the tuning of the jinghu varies. However if you play a solo piece on the jinghu, the tuning is usually D and A. This tuning structure is an octave higher than the erhu. The jing hu is a petite and cute little instrument but it sure can produce a very very loud sound which is even louder than a gaohu Another interesting fact: Some jinghu players tend to burn their rosin and drip some of the liquid rosin onto the resonation box near to the strings. When it solidifies, it acts like an ordinary rosin on the resonation box. When you bow, the bow hair will come in contact with the solidified rosin so rosin poweder will stick onto the bow.
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