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 Posted: Thu Apr 24th, 2008 03:26 pm
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may wrote: Since it's so very dry here in LA, for light maintenance, instead of oil, I also use my Reptile conditioner.  That's the one used for snake skin boots or bags. It's non-greasy and it also cleans the skin. By now, I feel very comfortable using it. But only when needed.

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Does the conditioner change the tone of the Erhu skin like the Habu oil?



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Hi AllenZ,

No. Not like the Habu. The habu oil really makes a noticeable difference as you have experienced.

The conditioner is much milder, and non-oily. The first time I used it on my erhu, I did notice some improvement in sound instantly. Not drastic, but certainly noticeable. My erhu skin was quite dry at the time, and it needed something. So that made the difference.  The conditioner was able to relieve the dryness and moisturized the scales too.

The one I use is called DYO Reptile Conditioner. Comes in a 4 fl.oz. bottle. Got it from Ebay last year.

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AllenZ wrote: Hi, does anyone have any tips on help perserving the life of snakeskin?


 

Hi Allenz

Just to share with you. I just got some tips from my erhu teacher  how to maintain the snakeskin in the most cheapest way? He said he has tried many types of oil before. He said olive oil is not good enough, the oil is unable to moisturized the snakeskin long, after a while, the oil will disappear. He even tried vegetable cooking oil, but need to heat it up before applying it to the snakeskin, the result is too oily. Later, he found out the walnut. Yes, the raw walnut. He said using the walnut to rub the snakeskin gently , can remove the  rosin dust easily and the oil produce from the walnut is just right. After applying it, leave the erhu aside for 2 - 3days, do not play it, then use a dry cloth to clean it.  You will notice the snakeskin will turn shining.

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Cool, Thanks Jeen~! I'll keep a track on it.

Have you tried it yourself yet? Give us some first hand opinions and observations~ Actually if your instructor says this method is better than Olive Oil, Sung Wah might be interested since he says he usually uses Olive Oil.

Thanks for contributing~!

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Jeen wrote: AllenZ wrote: Hi, does anyone have any tips on help perserving the life of snakeskin?


 

Hi Allenz

Just to share with you. I just got some tips from my erhu teacher  how to maintain the snakeskin in the most cheapest way? He said he has tried many types of oil before. He said olive oil is not good enough, the oil is unable to moisturized the snakeskin long, after a while, the oil will disappear. He even tried vegetable cooking oil, but need to heat it up before applying it to the snakeskin, the result is too oily. Later, he found out the walnut. Yes, the raw walnut. He said using the walnut to rub the snakeskin gently , can remove the  rosin dust easily and the oil produce from the walnut is just right. After applying it, leave the erhu aside for 2 - 3days, do not play it, then use a dry cloth to clean it.  You will notice the snakeskin will turn shining.

:bluelight:

 

Hi,

So you just rub the wallnut over the skin? does not damage the skin?

Thanks good to know.

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Be careful when choosing an oil to use on your snakeskin. Some cooking oils are drying oils, and some are not. I remember many years ago when my brother bought a new baseball glove. He had read that it was good to oil the leather to make it more flexible, but the cooking oil he used was a drying oil and it turned the glove leather hard and rigid. I would use only oils that are made for use on leather, and only lightly and rarely. (I have used Bick 4 leather conditioner made by the Bickmore company, which is recommended for "exotic" leathers.) One test to consider if you use cooking oil: After you have used a bottle of cooking oil for a while, you may notice that the oil residue on the outside of the bottle feels sticky. That means it is a drying oil. Olive oil bottles don't become sticky over time because olive oil is not a drying oil.



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Hi Allenz

So far, I've not experimented the walnut method yet, but I'm going to try it out next week. I will bring my erhu to my teacher and ask him  to demo.  I believe it should be ok, he is a pro, since he has being doing it for so long, shouldn't be any problem.



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Thanks Jeen.

But since you live in a humid place like Singapore, maybe you guys don't need to apply it as much as us people in drier locations.

I would worry about the skin absorbing too much moisture more in your case, but that can be easily solved by either I guess coating the snakeskin once a year to form a protective oil layer to lock out some moisture or just slap some Japanese natural coal (bamboo coal) packs that absorbs moisture and funky smell in your case. But if you really want to burn some money there's polymer shields that you put on the skin or in the case and it perfectly balances the moisture/dryness for 2 years at a 50/50 level.



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I just noticed if you Ebay searched "Python Pelt", some one is selling 78" x 8" LONG hide pelts. Anyone feel like experimenting with scretching their own skin? LoL.

Come on, Bayun & Clyde, give it a try~!



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Picking up on this old thread, but just wondering if anyone knows where one can currently buy some of this magical Habu Abura snake oil?

Or perhaps how to catch the appropriate snake and squeeze some out of him :-)

mikebgn

ps- I think this stuff may seriously work well where I am during the super dry winters..

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Hey Mike, its hard to say.

Yes it does protect the skin and lock in moisture really good.... BUT you might have to deal with the Erhu changing sound. Depending on personal preference, some people might think its good, some might think its bad.

I used it before on a cheap nasal Erhu before and I loved how it mellow out the sound. However, later on I used it on a different better model, it took away the original sweetness in the sound, which I hated.



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Thanks for the warnings; ya I think will use it on old lower end instruments to hopefully give the snakeskin and sound some new life. Maybe you've found the Oil of Olay fountain of youth for old dry python skin :-)

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Np. I didn't learn this myself by chance, I was reading some Japanese forums for Sanshin (Snakeskin Lutes) players.

Only they use it to protect their snakeskins before I read that some people think it might be good for other snakeskin products. So I thought of giving a chance since its dry in NY too sometimes.



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   Very good research Allen well done:D
 
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Thanks May also for suggesting "DYO Reptile Conditioner"; this seems to be easier to get than Habu oil. Maybe this will be the Oil of Olay for erhus :)

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Hello Mikebgn!

I have been using DYO (aka Oil of Olay for erhu ;) ) on my erhus for a while now, and so far no ill effects. In fact, I like it very much.

I only use a little each time. Smear it all over the snake skin with my finger, and then using a soft cloth, gently buff it off.

: ) May

 

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Thanks May also for suggesting "DYO Reptile Conditioner"; this seems to be easier to get than Habu oil. Maybe this will be the Oil of Olay for erhus :)

mikebgn 

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Jeen wrote:  
Just to share with you. I just got some tips from my erhu teacher  how to maintain the snakeskin in the most cheapest way? He said he has tried many types of oil before. He said olive oil is not good enough, the oil is unable to moisturized the snakeskin long, after a while, the oil will disappear. He even tried vegetable cooking oil, but need to heat it up before applying it to the snakeskin, the result is too oily. Later, he found out the walnut. Yes, the raw walnut. He said using the walnut to rub the snakeskin gently , can remove the  rosin dust easily and the oil produce from the walnut is just right. After applying it, leave the erhu aside for 2 - 3days, do not play it, then use a dry cloth to clean it.  You will notice the snakeskin will turn shining.

:bluelight:

 


I've experimented using the walnut to moisturize my erhu's snakeskin, it is real easy, just remove the walnut from the shell, use the walnut to rub the snakeskin. Immediately, you are able to see a layer of oil appear on the skin. Later,just gently rub off the walnut from the snakeskin and leave it aside for 2-3 days,then you are able to play the erhu again. In S'pore, the climate is humid, so the snakeskin will not turn dry, so my teacher said I don't have to do it too often. 

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Sorry, my PC suddenly hanged, didn't notice that I've posted so many repeated msg, may I know how to delete it? 

 

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Merry Christmas to all and a safe New Year

snake skins fallow this link

http://www.genuineostrichhides.com/snakeskins.html?gclid=CNDu0Me_yZECFRIUagodSmmD3A

 

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Hey Jeen,
Great work~!

So how's the result? Any tone changes?

And is the Walnut cooked? LoL. The only kind I have these days are the beer nuts ones.



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wow Jeen ,  really neat before and after photos there.    now I am naturally curious as to whether the pecan or brazil nut would also work?  they are each quite large enough to work with,  even the filbert when split in half has a big enough surface area.   are you using the inside area of the nut?  or the outside where the skin is...?

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