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ezFolk Forums > Other Instruments > Erhu > The Qian Jin Pageant (Or where is the boundary bw. utility and creativity?) |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 01:30 pm |
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This whole thread is one of the best examples on how different concepts can bear remotely distinct ideas even in such clearcut cases as a string supporting nut. To everyone, his own... Except for some adjustable ones (all are adjustable, but some quite fast), I personally fail to understand why any of these is better than the conventional cord nut, which is still the best looking to my taste. Some of the paramounts here might add their account on these constructions. Let's see the contestants: NO.1 seems to be the most common Qian Jin besides the traditional one. I figured that many Japanese manufacturers would ship their Erhus with this metal hook Qian Jin. It might give a ringy sustain, but I personally hate the look. It gives a Robocop-handcuff appearance to a traditional instrument. Attachment: MetalQuianJin.jpg (Downloaded 120 times) Last edited on Wed Nov 14th, 2007 02:14 pm by Bayun |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 01:36 pm |
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NO.2 A Combined Qian Jin that is also a fine tuner. It looks interesting. It might be fastened with Velcro or some buckles, and has two adjustable thumbwheels to set string tension over the nut for fine tuning. Dunno if it is marketed. Very bright idea, I might add. The look is still not my taste, though... Attachment: adjustableQuianJin.jpg (Downloaded 120 times)
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 01:38 pm |
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NO.3 A different variation of the above one. You figure out, how it works... Attachment: qianjin.movable.gif (Downloaded 119 times)
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 01:43 pm |
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NO. 4 The next three contenstants seem to be variations on the same theme. What changes is the loop that attaches to the neck plus their body. Since in all three cases the strings run through a plastic tubing, I seriously doubt that these three have any differences in tone. All are from Japan. This particular one has a metal wire loop attachment and the body looks like black-anodized aluminum. Attachment: QianJinCabled.jpg (Downloaded 119 times)
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 01:45 pm |
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NO.5 A variation of the above one. The attaching loop seems to be of horsehair, the body is wood. A little more traditional in material and appearance. Attachment: QianJinGuts.jpg (Downloaded 119 times)
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 01:47 pm |
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NO.6 This might be made of bone (or plastic) with a nylon loop, but again, due to the plastic tubing, the difference might be only for the eye. Attachment: QianJinJapanese.jpg (Downloaded 120 times)
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 01:50 pm |
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No.7 Now, a really ugly one.... Attachment: adjustableQuianJinsmall.jpg (Downloaded 121 times)
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 01:57 pm |
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NO.8 Winner of the craziest-looking design award in my view. Looks like a cyclist doing his tricks on high wire. The wheels may have a rubber surface which makes the idea even weirder. These are sold by a set of two in nice, tiny nylon bags, so you can have two bicycles on your neck for different keys. Checkout the site to order yours by the dozen. Attachment: adjustableQuianJin3.jpg (Downloaded 119 times) Last edited on Wed Nov 14th, 2007 02:16 pm by Bayun |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 02:05 pm |
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NO.9 Let's see those rapidly adjustables. This one is George Gao's patented QQQianJin that goes for around 60 bucks. The (wooden?) rail attaches to the inside of the neck with double-sided adhesive tape. The (presumably plastic) body slides up and down in the 2nd position, is out of use in the 3rd, and works fixed in the 1st position. The designer says it enhances the volume of the open strings which sounds sensible, since the body solidly touches the rail. The string slot area seems to have a small metal insert for sustain. This Qian Jin flips and slides really fast for lighting fast tuning changes. The video on its use is available on Youtube. Attachment: adjustableQqquianJin.jpg (Downloaded 119 times) Last edited on Wed Nov 14th, 2007 02:29 pm by Bayun |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 02:07 pm |
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NO.10 A very close concept to the above one that works the same way. Attachment: adjustableQuianJin2.jpg (Downloaded 124 times)
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14th, 2007 02:09 pm |
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NO.11 And my superhero. What a pretty thing. Can you feel the difference??? Feels like home again... Attachment: QianJinSpinach.jpg (Downloaded 158 times)
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15th, 2007 01:40 am |
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Bayun wrote: This whole thread is one of the best examples on how different concepts can bear remotely distinct ideas even in such clearcut cases as a string supporting nut. To everyone, his own...No.1 is an old style Beijing Qianjin. I don't like it personally as well. Too much metal and it might hurt your Erhu neck. I sell those in my shop if anyone wants to try. No.2 and 3 I have one in my drawer. The Erhu maker that suggested the Reverse bowing had that on his old Erhus, but not on his newer Erhus cos he finds that it is not very effective. No. 4 and 5 and 6 is a variation of Banhu type qianjin, where you cannot adjust the space between the strings and the neck. Banhu qianjin is pushing the strings out rather than pulling the strings in like No.4 and 5 and6. Can't make out what is No.7 No.8 looks interesting. No.9 is a good idea. But how often do you need to change key? I have never needed to do that in my entire Erhu playing life. No.10 draws inspiration from the Banhu as well. No.11 - the real thing.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 22nd, 2007 12:49 pm |
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No. 12. Qian Jin for skippers. Looks like a designer piece. Erhu combined with a sextant. Don't leave the harbor without one, or else, you might get lost... Attachment: Sextant.JPG (Downloaded 108 times)
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| Posted: Thu Dec 6th, 2007 10:05 am |
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No. 13. Ain't worth a thing without the matching neck-attached fine tuner. Attachment: jeffbeckmusic-img410x410-1144664350________1-9.jpg (Downloaded 86 times)
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| Posted: Thu Dec 6th, 2007 10:07 am |
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Both in action on the electric-ecclectic white elephant. Attachment: jeffbeckmusic-img326x600-1186726352____6844-6.jpg (Downloaded 88 times)
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30th, 2007 04:14 pm |
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No. 14. And the ugliest-looking combined beast of them all, just to bid farewell to 2007. This one seems to employ two violin tailpiece fine tuners, no wonder it is bulky and ugly. Hopefully, no more Qian Jins like this next year. Happy New Year, Everyone!  Attachment: Crazy.jpg (Downloaded 73 times) Last edited on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 04:20 pm by Bayun |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30th, 2007 06:09 pm |
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HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and everyone as well Good Bye 2007 Last edited on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 06:18 pm by Clyde |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 9th, 2008 12:24 am |
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Interesting Bayun, I was about to write a small topic on the same subject. I frequently use Japan Rakuten's to look for Music supplies for my Shamisen and I run into these curious items. Being an amateur Erhu player, I am also curious with these kind of QianJing since it does look better than just some random strings tying down the metal strings. Have you purchase or ever try any of these?
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| Posted: Sat Feb 9th, 2008 09:01 am |
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Nope. And I doubt I ever will. Some experienced doyens here may have tried several conceptions. I am very much a traditionalist when it comes to appearance with all musical instruments, so I favor the string Qian Jin. Traditions always imply some soothing timeless permanency in this fast-changing world. If they are gone, there is nothing really to hold on... Just put some pics up to indicate how inventive human kind is, even when it comes to such a plain concept as a string nut. Most of these things may look cool on an electric Erhu, but not what I like for appearance...
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| Posted: Sat Feb 9th, 2008 10:17 am |
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Another shot of a variation on the last method. Tell me it suits those pegs... cos it doesn't. Attachment: Rut.jpg (Downloaded 44 times)
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