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cockneybanjo Approved 
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ok so here we all are, hanging around for too long on this here pipelay barge waiting for someone else to finish and the crewboat to come, watching too much satellite tv and videos and someone has brought the DVD of Ken Burns' "Civil War" which at least makes a change from "American Chopper" and that documentary about the crab fishing in Newfoundland that the Discovery Channel loves so much between us we have 2 five-string banjos, a harmonica and a uke. So, we try to play the music and it's not easy, is it? what we need is a tab for the melody only. If we could work out a lead with the banjo the rest would follow. I play in a Seeger-style up-picking style, because when you habitually play with people who have no interest at all in country music, and less than that in bluegrass that's what you tend to do, and if I could work out the lead we would be off. we worked out Waltzing Matilda this way, like a lot of Brits and Australians we simply don't have the vocabulary to follow BG and country tabs because we don't know the original songs, but Matilda worked well. we found a staged tab for Under the Double Eagle on ezfolk.com, starting with melody only, and that was a good project, but this one has so far, beaten us anyone?
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banjo brad Super Moderator 
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Cockneybanjo- Send me your email address and I will send a copy of the tune. I took the fiddle tab (in the key of D, which is where Jay wrote it), and converted it to an ABC file. I then imported the ABC file into tabledit set up for a 5-string banjo in standard (open) G tuning. I then printed the TEF file as a PDF file. Let me know if you want just the PDF or both. It runs pretty much from the 4th fret up, and requires extensive fretting of the fifth string, so I'm not sure how well it will work for you. The Double C tuning, capoed 2 frets, would really give a much better, i.e., easier, way to play the tune on the banjo. I am still working on getting it onto the fiddle, so I haven't played with it on the banjo. Brad Last edited on Wed Apr 2nd, 2008 07:29 pm by banjo brad ____________________ ezFolk Help Brad Prickly Pear Music Banjo Brad's ezFolk page TOTMC |
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Philj200 Approved 
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My contra dance orchestra plays it in D-major as well. Curious structure AAB. The A part repeats once. The B part doesn't. Since most traditional (or traditional sounding) are ususally played AABB, this causes no end of confusion. We play a waltz at the end of the evening's acticivities. Usually AAB, AAB, AAB... until the dancers look like they're winding down or the caller signals an end. It's a beautiful piece. If you like this piece (which we can't or shouldn't post here), you'll also most likely enjoy a waltz called Southwind.
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cockneybanjo Approved
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tell me more about Southwind.
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ejsant Approved 
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I remember in the early seventies being told a story about the tune "Under the Double Eagle". As memory serves it went on about a city boy hitch-hiking through a rural area of the South here in the U.S. with a guitar in tow. A would be ride pulled up and asked if he knew how to pick out "Under the Double Eagle". It seems the ride was contingent upon the tune being played noting the quote; "If you can't pick out that tune you're not a guitar player." As to "Southwind" you may find the ABC's at theSession.org site. I sing a few different songs to this lovely air. One of my favorites is the song about the ending of a session one night in the pub. The refrain goes: "And all the tunes in the world, are dancing around in me head, and the clock on the gantry says play time is o'er you'll just have to sing them instead." Peace, Ed Last edited on Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 11:24 am by ejsant ____________________ Peace, a brilliant aspiration!!! Traditional and Contemporary Irish Music P.O. Box 5086 Phillipsburg, NJ 08865 (201) 424-6141 http://www.EdSaultz.com http://www.ezfolk.com/audio/Ed_Saultz |
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cockneybanjo Approved
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I really don't know why 'Under the Double Eagle' is such a standard, but it definitely is. I play with whoever I meet on my travels, wherever I am posted at the time - plenty of people do this - and a lot of the time they have little or no interest in country or bluegrass, but they ALL know this one! it's nearly as good as Waltzing Matilda, that will take you anywhere; and of course if you have a banjo you will NOT get away without knowing 'Duelling Banjos' - I have played that in Kazakhstan accompanied by a Russian with a balalaika - and another old favourite which all British players know, although Americans almost never - 'My Grandfathers' Clock' 'Wild Rover' is a great favourite with Brits also, although again Americans don't usually know it
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Philj200 Approved
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Two things: Please go to my MP3 section. The first piece is a brief banjo version of Southwind. Hope you enjoy it. I forgot how to creat a link between the section and here. Under the Double Eagle is of European origin. It is a military march. Note the double eagle reference. Tzarist Russia and imperial Austria among others used the symbol. It has never been an American icon. But it is a great tune that migrated to the bluegrass/traditional genres perfectly. It is also a natural guitar solo. During the folk-boom of the 60's The Country Gentlemen did a terrific version. Within a month every good picker in the country was working on it. But they were not the first. Hank Snow,a now forgotton C&W pioneer was called the Cowboy Segovia. His version proves it is a correct nickname. His was in the 50's as I recall. Chet Atkins has a version that is pyrotechnic. My favorite is Willie Nelson's. I have perhaps eight or nine versions. A local Italian brass band plays it when they parade on various celebrations. First time I heard them play it, I nearly fell-out. But they did a good job. Perhaps that why people like it. It's an easy melody and very forgiving of mistakes.
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cockneybanjo Approved
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my understanding is that 'Double Eagle' is a march by one of the minor Strauss brothers and refers to the Austro-Hungarian Imperial emblem
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Philj200 Approved
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Well that fits with my observation. Someone had to write it. And they did it in a country where the double eagle is a symbol that means something to them.
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cockneybanjo Approved
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I like that Baroque Banjo........
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Philj200 Approved
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Thank you kindly.
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