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| Posted: Mon May 28th, 2007 02:07 am |
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bluerabbit10 Approved 
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With this tuning and for example I play Old Time Riverman in Key of D....then can other instruments play the same song same Key (D) while tuned to G-tuning(gDGBD) and sound ok? In other words can one play in any tuning (Eb) so long as all play in the same Key? I hope this is not too stupid of a question, but it has been bothering me....I can play pretty well by my self and in any tuning I want and in any key I want. ....but in playing with others, must we TUNE to the same TUNING? Verne
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| Posted: Mon May 28th, 2007 02:24 am |
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Hey Verne, That tuning (BbBbEbGBb) is one I haven't seen before. Definitely not very common but if it works then it's fine. It's not necessary that everybody is tuned the same way but everybody does need to play in the same key. For instance, if you're in Eb tuning and are playing in Eb, then everybody playing with you needs to be playing in Eb. Most people would probably just put a capo on the 1st string and play in D, which would put them in Eb, or they could put a capo on the 3rd fret and play in C, and that would put them in Eb. Of course they could also just stay in standard tuning (either the guitar or banjo) and play in Eb. Hope that helps! 
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| Posted: Mon May 28th, 2007 02:40 am |
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Thank you Richard!....That's what I wanted to know...I can play in my favorite tuning ....BbBbEbGBb and play along with others say playing in G-tuning....so long as we are playing in the same key (my preferred one is Key of D) That tuning "BbBbEbGBb" can be obtained by capoing at the 8 th fret; but that don't seem practical to me. Also I am thinking about a little heavier strings (I am now 10.5-11.5-13- 20 and 10.5); for any "hard" driving, flailing type songs to avoid string buzzing...so far though the lighter strings have been fine for slow to medium two-three finger playing. I am amazed at this wonderful site you created for all of us...and to get such a quick answer on this question is well, just great! Verne Garrison
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| Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 07:18 pm |
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Verne: Interesting tuning and assuming your banjo has a regular length neck than I can see why you might want heavier strings. Tuning down to these notes could produce a rattle on a low acton banjo. It's a varients on the traditional modal tuning (gDBCD) to dDGCD, but three frets down. I recognized it since I play a LN banjo and am constantly capoing all over the place. FYI: The great bluegrass family the Osbourne Brothers did a remarkably hard-driving two banjo duet of Train 45. One of them playing in an open D tuning (f#DF#AD) [as I recall], the other in C tuning (gCGBD) capoed up two frets to sound in D. While they played essentially the same melody at the same time an octave apart, the variation of the other notes in the fingering patterns gave them a big, full sound. They sang pretty well too.
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| Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 08:19 pm |
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Phil, I recognize you from eZfolk....really enjoy your songs on there. I am just a learner starting late in life, but learning just the same. I found a Stanley Brothers rendition of Train 45...a 1956 album..An Evening Long Ago...Do you know a location or source for Osborne Brothers? I like a lot of Jimmie Osborne's songs. Was he one of the Brothers? I know he died very young. I play a Deering Sierra standard length and the light strings are ok so long as I am easy on it...I have an old cheap Oscar Schmidt OB-5 that I may put some heavier strings on it and try it. Verne Garrison
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| Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 09:00 pm |
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I recognize you from eZfolk....really enjoy your songs on there. --I get Banjo Hangout and EZFolk mixed up too. Thank you kindly. I visited your site and liked the real home sound you create. I am just a learner starting late in life, but learning just the same. --God's Speed! (and me too) I found a Stanley Brothers rendition of Train 45...a 1956 album..An Evening Long Ago... --It's a standard. Most BG bands do a version of it. And as I write I'm thumping my farhead big time. Another version of Train 45 is called Ruby. That's the version the Osbourne Borthers did on two banjos in two tunings in the same key. Do you know a location or source for Osborne Brothers? --Me, if I can find it in the mildewing stacks of LPs. Searching a P-to-P might yield a copy. Try Googling it. I like a lot of Jimmie Osborne's songs. Was he one of the Brothers? I know he died very young. --Not sure. I'll look into it out now that my curiosity is piqued. I play a Deering Sierra standard length and the light strings are ok so long as I am easy on it... --I'm not a fan of light guage strings. That don't give me enough resistance... texture... and they skittle out of the way when I'm leaning into one of my banjos. I have an old cheap Oscar Schmidt OB-5 that I may put some heavier strings on it and try it. --Enjoy your voyage. Last edited on Wed May 30th, 2007 09:11 pm by Philj200 ____________________ My MP3 Section: http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/1143/ My Myspace area: http://myspace.com/philj200 |
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| Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 09:06 pm |
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From the Wikepedia: The Osborne Brothers, (Sonny Osborne and Bobby Osborne) were an influential and popular Bluegrass act which came to prominence in the 1950s. They are probably best known for the song Rocky Top recorded in 1967. Other hits include "Making Plans," "Midnight Flyer" and "Ruby (Are You Mad At Your Man)" Sonny retired in 2005, but Bobby continues to perform with his band Rocky Top X-press. Ruby by the Osbourne Brothers is available from Itunes, Musicmatch (I don't like their software), and a few other MP3 services. They change 99 cents or something to download. I checked for the tune on the P-to-P's and it is not currently available. Last edited on Wed May 30th, 2007 09:22 pm by Philj200 ____________________ My MP3 Section: http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/1143/ My Myspace area: http://myspace.com/philj200 |
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| Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 09:45 pm |
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Philj200 wrote: From the Wikepedia:
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| Posted: Thu May 31st, 2007 12:26 am |
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Another slap of the farhead... Ruby, the Osborne's tune is a version of the more well known Rueben's Train. Same tune, different words. Osbourne's is wickedly murderous. "I took my razor blade and laid Ruby in the shade and started a cemetery of my own." ...qouth one of the verses.
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| Posted: Thu May 31st, 2007 12:33 am |
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Philj200 wrote: Another slap of the farhead... Ruby, the Osborne's tune is a version of the more well known Rueben's Train. Same tune, different words. Osbourne's is wickedly murderous.Man, I got to start paying attention. I have seen Rueben's Train mentioned before; but never played it I guess; and if I did didn't catch the lyrics. Thanks for "slap of the farhead"...I need to slow down and pay attention. Verne
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| Posted: Thu May 31st, 2007 12:37 am |
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Phil, ignore my previous post as I now see that it is "Ruby" that I need to check out the lyrics and then apply Rueben's Trail music to it...."I slip a little more each day, it seems." Verne
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| Posted: Thu May 31st, 2007 01:50 pm |
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Verne, I actually looked for the Osborne Bros LP last night but alas... Anyway, take a listen to http://ezfolk.com/audio/download.php?mode=song_hifi&band_id=1143&song_id=9601 ... thats 30 minutes of me messing around and stalling leaving for work this morning. Two banjos as described previously (C up two, open D), guitar and one verse of me. It's a bit ragged in places. I'll leave it up for a few days.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 12:43 am |
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bluerabbit10 Approved
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Interesting Phil; I could definitely hear to two pitches of the banjos...need to listen some more....Thanx for taking the time to do it. Verne
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| Posted: Sat Jun 2nd, 2007 12:53 am |
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Philj200 Approved
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Verne; check your PM.
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