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| Posted: Sun Jun 10th, 2007 11:32 pm |
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Well, I did go off the deep end a while back, removed my avatar, my links, my signature, all the music on my EZfolk page, but in talking to others that post their music, the general feeling is the same as mine (without the immature measures ) when they post music for your enjoyment/critique, be they new, old, pro, or am.How can a music post recieve over 100 hits and get few to no responses? I've seen one great musician's (-not me-) posts of very beautiful music get many hits, but no response. How is that to treat a guy that puts his heart and soul in something and puts it up for YOU to listen to. Have I been remiss in following my own plea? Only if I haven't listened. But I won't be one of the people that read the topic either. Let's face it, some folks don't like my style, and that's ok, they aren't going to open a topic that says I've posted a new song, that's ok. I have people whose music I don't care for either, I won't be one that views their post. But if you do listen, Sweet Mary-Mother-of-Jebus! Tell the player! Do any of you think that we want to hear silence? Good night, give us a BOO, or an applause, that's all any of us ask. I have to admit, after my last post of Mouth-to-Mouth Resuscitation, seeing it get over 150 hits in the beginning and only one response was really disheartening at this board, and it made me feel that you all just didn't care about the people that give you music. To put a lot of work in something to have it be ignored by people you've helped, talked to, become sort of friends with is really kinda painful. Call me naive, say whatever, but put yourself in that position, you post a song, and no one responds. How do you feel about that? I realize that a lot of members here just like the idea of playing 3 chords, or finding the perfect uke to take up space in the closet, and who has the best strings to put on that uke, etc.. but there HAS to be a few of you that really DO music, that enjoy a good song or tune. You are the ones I'm talking to. Don't want to blast anyone in particular, cause it's all of you on every board. Just remember that if it wasn't for the folks that post music, well...it'd be pretty quiet, wouldn't it? All any of us ask is that you have the courtesy to respond with AN opinion, plus or minus, it don't matter baby, just don't ignore. And it ain't just me here thinking this up, it's a lot of good musicians that post their music for you that feel this way. Support them. Sorry about the rant, and I do love you all. I think a lot will think this is self-serving, and to some extent, it probably is, sorry for that, but it's also a community. Remember: Support your local musician, and each and every one of you is our local musician.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 01:33 am |
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Hi Neal, maybe the people you're talking about respondedon other boards? I know I listened on both MySpace and at least FMM and possibly also UkeTalk, and I think posted responses on two of those. I think your song is fantastic and I know you got a number of responses on several of these ukulele boards. I think this board is good but I don't think it's got the best interface for listening to music. Unless someone posts a song link in a thread, I really don't think to seek out the music section. I've posted my music on MySpace, in UkeTalk, UkeLand and on FMM, and formerly on Ukulele Cosmos, but never decided to do so here because it just seemed like it wasn't integrated with the community very well. It's just my perception,I don't mean this as an insult to Richard, it's just that I've not found it easy to use this place for anything other than forums and tutorials, both of which I value greatly. I guess we have to sort of temper our expectations, too. I've seen Craig Robertson post great music on FMM and get maybe one or two comments. A lot of people just don't want to take the time to listen, or if they do, maybe they have a hard time figuring out what to say. I like feedback and positive reinforcement as much as anybody, but I sort of don't expect much anymore from online postings. Personally I'd like to see more people post music, myself. I think there are too few people who are doing that and I'd like to hear more.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 02:03 am |
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banjo brad Super Moderator 
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Neal- How many of the musicians who have put music up on ezFolk actually take the time to come to the discussion boards, introduce themselves and provide a link to their latest song? Run down the list of people who provide input (of any kind) here, and you will find there is a fairly small core of people interested in talking about things. Now, take a look at the total number of artists who have sites here - notice the large number. Many I never see taking part in the community. I don't have a lot of time to spend browsing through the artist pages looking for music I like, and unless somebody has made me aware of their presence, I probably will never find them. This site has grown exponentially since it started, and sometimes I wonder if that is to the good or the detriment of it's purpose. I'm not trying to knock you, I know your passion for the promotion of yours (and others) music, since we have locked friendly horns on this matter in other posts, and I respect that. But, with the volume of music now available here, I am more and more forced to make decisions on what I listen to based on who I know. I also believe that if you consider the radio stations and the player on the home page here, you might see that many 'hits' are automatic and probably do not reflect on people who hunted up one of your tunes to listen to. This could explain the lack of comments. Brad
____________________ ezFolk Help Brad Prickly Pear Music Banjo Brad's ezFolk page TOTMC |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 02:32 am |
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Neal, I agree with you and it's frustrating for me as well that people aren't more supportive towards the artists on ezFolk. If there's a way to fix it I'll try to do it but I've kind of bent over backwards to provide a good place for people to share their music, and that's about the best I can do. We do have over 1500 artists now on ezFolk so I'm sure a lot of people are listening to a lot of music and usually don't take the time to comment on it. I've tried to encourage people to rate music and artists as they listen, and while some do I'm sure over 99% don't. I don't really take it personally that there aren't more comments for my music or for anybody's music here for that matter. I know people are busy and being yanked in all kinds of other directions when they're on the Internet. We've had well over 2,000,000 plays now in the MP3 section and that means at least there are some people listening, whether they say anything or not. Nina said... I think this board is good but I don't think it's got the best interface for listening to music. Unless someone posts a song link in a thread, I really don't think to seek out the music section. I've posted my music on MySpace, in UkeTalk, UkeLand and on FMM, and formerly on Ukulele Cosmos, but never decided to do so here because it just seemed like it wasn't integrated with the community very well. It's just my perception,I don't mean this as an insult to Richard, it's just that I've not found it easy to use this place for anything other than forums and tutorials, both of which I value greatly.Nina, I'm glad to know you like the forums and tutorials, but I'm surprised to hear anybody say the MP3 section is not easy to use. Every artist has access to their own blog, their own calendar, unlimited uploads of MP3s and videos, inclusion in the charts, and other features (with a lot more coming soon by the way). People who just want to listen can do so without having to register. They can browse through genres or alphabetical lists or a lot of other stuff. None of it's hard to use if somebody will take about 2 minutes to figure it out. I don't know about the setup for all the sites you mentioned but I'm familiar with MySpace, which limits you to 4 songs, and I'm familiar with the FMM board, which doesn't offer any MP3 hosting at all and has one of the worst user interfaces I've ever seen. Within the next month a major upgrade is coming to the ezFolk MP3 section that will allow artists to design their own pages and every artist will also have their own forum within their MP3 section. There will also be a new master forum integrated into the MP3 section and we'll possibly start using that as the main forum and leave this old one up just to reference old messages. There are a lot of other exciting (to me) changes coming but they'll only be successful if people use them. A forum integrated into the MP3 section won't mean anything if nobody uses it. If there are enough people who really like the ezFolk site and want it to thrive they'll need to step up by giving some moral support and encouragement to the artists here. Last edited on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 02:33 am by Richard Hefner ____________________ Richard Hefner MP3 Page: http://www.ezfolk.com/audio/richardhefner Running Blog: http://old-runner.com |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 02:46 am |
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NinaC Approved
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I'm sure the MP3 section here is easy to set up, I just don't find it easy to use as a listener. I don't think I am explaining myself well so I apologize, I'm a little tired. I know you have a featured artist section and a promote your music section. but in other boards I mentioned, somehow the promoted music seems easier to be notified about and get to because it's integrated into the board a little better (in my opinion). Maybe I'd feel it was a little easier to be clued in about the kind of new music I'd like to hear if you had sections for posting music within each instrument category, but that's just one opinion. I also don't find I have time to go into a big area of lots of music pages and do a lot of browsing. FMM has a very different interface and it's not for everybody, but when you post a song there it's very clear, and as long as people comment it keeps rising back up the list. I am not suggesting you use FMM's format, I'm just trying to explain why it's easy to see new stuff as it's posted. If Gerald Ross or Neal or Craig Robertson post something new, I'm not going to miss it because the notice shows up in the mainstream discussion area. It's late and I'm tired, I hope this makes sense.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 02:46 am |
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Neal Approved
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"Neal- How many of the musicians who have put music up on ezFolk actually take the time to come to the discussion boards, introduce themselves and provide a link to their latest song?"-Banjo Brad These are not the people I'm talking about Brad. I'm talking about those that do. Brad, I don't remember locking horns with you. I'm not referring to my music alone. This is not all about me, although it may seem that way to some. Sorry if there's confusion about that. Yes, it would get cumbersome to listen to everyone's music, I'm referring to those that have taken the time to not only post in a general discussion and be a part of this uke community, but have given you their music to listen to, and have notified you of said music in a post. This said post will have 50-100 views and maybe 1 response? C'mon. Now if between the boards combined, there were 10-15 responses, then I would say, you are correct NinaC, sorry. But that ain't the case. And I'm not coming down on you, Nancy. I'm coming down on the 100-300 viewers of a post that just don't support the guy/gal that gave of him/herself for your listening pleasure. Just something for you all to think about the next time someone posts a song IN THIS MESSAGE BOARD, AND YOU READ/LISTEN to the song. I'm sure that person, maybe me, maybe you, would like some feedback. Last edited on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 03:00 am by Neal ____________________ http://ezfolk.com/audio/NealPaisley http://www.youtube.com/nealpaisley http://www.myspace.com/nealpaisley |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 02:51 am |
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Neal Approved
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oops, crossed posts with a couple of you. Richard, you do a great job, and I'm sorry I sort of took it out on this board, in my huffy little way. I have to agree with you that the interface here is very simple, mp3's, unlimited songs to upload, a feature for artists to make a little spending money. It's a much better design than FMM, which is ok, and everyone has a favorite. You do all you can, and that's appreciated. Not much you can do about this subject, it's got to come from the community. Again, it's not about commenting or rating artists on their particular corner, it's about the artists that let folks know there's a song up, whether it's on MySpace, Ukeland, here, or there, and people reading the post, listening to the music and not giving the poor chump his props, or even an "I didn't care for it". Like I said, there ain't no money in GIVING away your music, the only payday for most of us is applause. But I'll take criticism, too. ANYTHING but silence. Last edited on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 02:56 am by Neal ____________________ http://ezfolk.com/audio/NealPaisley http://www.youtube.com/nealpaisley http://www.myspace.com/nealpaisley |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 03:03 am |
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Neal has a point and it's one that has poked me more than once. Maybe it's fishing for compliments (on my part sometimes, what the hell, that's part of it), maybe its the desire for genuine feedback, help and support, on my part too. But when a member goes to the effort of recording and sharing a tune... and asking for feedback, it borders on the rude to just click onto somewhere else after listening to it. I see a risk in this. By exposing a song we've uploaded we put ourselves into a vulneable position. One that can be ridiculed. Pissed on from a high place. But that has NEVER happened here in my experience. Ego are fragile things. But common curtesy allows honesty, and a collegial atmosphere. It is helpful for someone who has taken the trouble or expressed interest in a tune to listen, to say what they think. You can be honest to yourself and say the song didn't reach you, was too fat, too mauldin, maybe reached too far... be honest and be polite. The person you are responding to has reached out to to friends. That would be us. And they deserves a friend's response. I've certainly pulled songs that I uploaded that just didn't work. I know others have. I've sent and received PMs about songs that should be worked on more before they're reposted (that was a more polite way of saying a posting cut the cheese.) There is no one on this board so damn perfect that they can expect everyone to adore every note they play or sing. But we are all capable of learning and improving. I take singular satisfaction is noting that Charlie, Preston and Brad are virtually universal in their support. Thanks guys. Last edited on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 03:06 am by Philj200 ____________________ My MP3 Section: http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/1143/ My Myspace area: http://myspace.com/philj200 |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 03:10 am |
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Neal Approved
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Here's an example Topic: New Tune - Solo Uke Swing - Gerald Ross Replies: 1 Views: 125 Now, forgive me, but this is some seriously talented stuff. 125 of you viewed, and I would say a good number listened and only Preston responded. Preston, you're A-1.
____________________ http://ezfolk.com/audio/NealPaisley http://www.youtube.com/nealpaisley http://www.myspace.com/nealpaisley |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 03:14 am |
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NinaC Approved
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I responded to that song on another forum, and I may have listened to it here if I'd seen the post where it was promoted. Again, I know there are counts posted here and that more people should be responding percentagewise, but I really do think it's harder to be notified about new music on this forum without actually going out and looking for it. I know that's not the experience for everybody, but it's been my experience, and I hope this can be viewed as constructive criticism. I'd listen and respond more on this board if the music was presented to me in a way that fits in better with the normal browsing of forums. That doesn't solve the problem of why more people who listen don't comment. I think that's a valid question Neal's asking. Now I'm going to bed...zzz. Last edited on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 03:17 am by NinaC |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 03:43 am |
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banjo brad Super Moderator
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Neal- Didn't we have a long discussion about promoting music? Maybe 1,2, 3 years ago? I seem to remember some discussion about getting music heard by the public and I was the guy saying I'm merely trying to keep a heritage alive, not make money or get an ego boost. Maybe it was somebody else. You have a point about posts, I think I misunderstood you in the first post. But, what happens to the posts that say: "New Song Posted" ? I have to visit the post to 1. see if there is a title. 2. IF there is a title, does it sound like something I might want to hear? 3. Is there a brief explanation of the tune, i.e. "Done on a Digeridoo and washboard, Old Time Breakdown". If I can't get an idea of the music, I usually won't listen to the tune or reply to the poster, but he/she gets a 'visit.' If visits start adding up, I may revisit to see if there has been something added that tells me I might like to listen. Seems like post visits and plays on the mp3 section may be 2 separate entities and can't be tied together. And, sometimes I brouse posts just to hear what others are talking about. These visits don't need me to say "hi, i stopped by but have nothing to add." I have learned a lot from just browsing through posts when I have time. Anyway, I will be interested in seeing what the new updates bring - they may help. Brad EDIT: Neal, I just went hunting for some of your stuff, but I guess you haven't reposted anything. As I remember, we agreed that our music tastes are very different, but I was curious. Oh, well. Brad. Last edited on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 03:47 am by banjo brad ____________________ ezFolk Help Brad Prickly Pear Music Banjo Brad's ezFolk page TOTMC |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 03:58 am |
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HowlinHobbit Approved 
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NinaC wrote: I responded to that song on another forum, and I may have listened to it here if I'd seen the post where it was promoted. Nina points out one of the problems, at least for ukulele-related material. Someone (like me, for instance) will release a new recording and announce it on all the boards. If I respond at all, I'm going to respond on my "favorite" board amongst the ones where it's announced. I'm not going to post "groovy recording, Bill" in each and every thread where it's announced. I'm just going to assume that if the person announced it in multiple forums, he/she is going to check all those threads for responses and therefore find mine. On a related note. Without mentioning anyone in particular, sometimes the recording is... less than response-worthy. This doesn't even mean "not good" as much as it means "I only have so much time in my day and I'm only going to respond to the ones that really rock me." If I was to post honest opinions of every song posted to the various forums that I've listened to over the years nobody would like me anymore. In case you think the above is beyond the pale in the ego department, I am quite sure that there are many who think my songs suck rocks in vacuum and are just too polite to mention it. That's ok too. If I could please all of the people all of the time I would undoubtedly be wildly rich and famous. HH
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 04:42 am |
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Preston Approved 
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I can sympathize with Neal's point of view. As a beginner and a person who lives in a relatively isolated state with few opportunities to interact face to face with musicians, I really appreaciate any feedback on a song I post. I realize that I am very much an amature and my recordings are very crude, but when one of you responds to my music it really means a lot to me. It is really the only feedback I get other than that of my family, and they are probably sick of hearing me play the same few songs for hours at a time. It is also disappointing when I post a song and no one responds (this has happened rarely to me). I have gotten only postive feedback here. I have gotten a few good suggestions on improving my work which are very much appreciated and have helped me to improve. I know that so many of you are very talented and experienced and it would be easy for you to find fault with my work but that has never been the case. I know that when I post a new song, I like very much to hear it complemented, and that is only natural. There are a lot of you here who are extremely generous with comments and I appreciate that a lot. I don't believe I have ever posted a song which did not elicite a nice comment from Charlie for example. Many of the rest of you fit into this category. I have noticed that some of you (like Holly) will post comments and urge us to listen to musicians who don't usually post notices of new recordings and as a result I have heard some great music that I wouldn't have heard otherwise. Also, the new feature which plays music when we download this site has also exposed me to good songs which have peaked my interest enough to look up the artist's page and listen to more. This is a good feature Richard. I am a high school art teacher and know that a simple HEARTFELT complement can work wonders. I had a very marginal student this year who had been failing . On one assignment he took a special interest because he could make something that interested him. It wasn't great, but it was an honest effort. When I and some other students complemented him on it, he began to really try to do his best. As a result, he actually developed some real talent and graduated this month feeling that he had a special gift for sculpture. I would venture to say that this was the first time in his life that he had felt that he could do something well. Sorry that this post is so long. I have posted music to other BBoards but I have truly found the most acceptance and friendship here. Neal is right, we need the support of each other in this community. Thanks
____________________ My EzFolk Page: http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/1072 |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 07:16 am |
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Neal wrote: Here's an exampleYeah, but here's the deal. I bought two copies of Gerald's uke CD, and I always go listen to his music. I don't view reading a post and then not commenting as disrespect. I don't comment because it's good, we know Gerald's good, and I view his posts as "hey, here's something new" bulletins, so I can go listen. I appreciate the notification and I love the music. Gerald is a seriously talented dude, and I don't think he needs my verification for that. I try not to post unless I really feel I have something to say (and in many cases, I post, read it, and then think, 'Geez, I didn't really say anything...'). On others, I will just go listen when I get a chance and not always comment. As a songwriter, I do appreciate the feedback as well, but I undertand if I don't get it; there's a lot of music out there. If I have the energy to write something, record it, and then put it out there, then I'm pretty set with it. If it's a bad song, it will go away as bad songs do. If it's a good song, some might comment, some might not. But that doesn't matter in the big picture. Unless the writer has a specific question, maybe there isn't a lot of need for feedback. And there seldom is a question. I doubt that anyone wants to hear me say that you need to fix your timing, that the harmony was off in the second chorus, that the verse section melody kills the momentum of the song, etc. Honest, cutting feedback, you know. Most of us are old enough dogs that we do what we do and that's what we do. Rather than change a song for the better, I'd rather just move on and write another one. There are boards dedicated to player critique. From my own anecdotal observations, this sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Many times the disingenuous question is just a ploy to drive listeners to music, and that is silly. There was one recently on this board--"be an online producer" I think it was called. As musicians we should be going to multiple sources for ego gratification.Having an audience is important and it does feel good; just don't rely on a board to do it for you. I just have to remember that Uke Jackson Hates Me and I did survive!! Last edited on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 07:20 am by UkeForever |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 11:03 am |
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Neal Approved
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UkeForever wrote: Neal wrote:Here's an example Correct sir! You're right of course, it is all about ego gratification on some level, but at another level couldn't it be about community too? You all bring some good stuff to the table in this discussion, and posting a response to one of the members new songs on multiple boards is sort of redundant. I suppose I just see a lot of times where a post like the above will get many, many views on all the boards, but such a lukewarm posting response from all of us. I guess that's it. On all the boards. Apologies to Mr. Ross for using you as the example.
____________________ http://ezfolk.com/audio/NealPaisley http://www.youtube.com/nealpaisley http://www.myspace.com/nealpaisley |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 11:28 am |
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It is amazing how thoughtless people are... Go to You Tube where videos have literally thousands of viewings and maybe only 100 ratings! I'm a professional photographer and though my blog gets 100's of hits, very few people leave props or comments... including my brides who rant and rave over their photographs(http://www.xanga.com/imagesbypeter). In this day and age where it is so easy to communicate, people take the lazy road and have no idea how the artist's feel about not hearing a word about their creations. It hurts... BUT... forums such as ezFolk rocks!!! As does everyone who contributes. I have learned more from this forum, the download's and other sites such as You Tube then I would have from a private instructor... (though finding one in New Jersey is little more than a pipe dream). The ability to go back and replay a song or a strum is fantastic... let me say a big THANK YOU to all of you... you all ROCK and make learning the uke alone an event.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 12:00 pm |
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If I see a posting with 'new tune' and a link but no further info I don't go any further. If however there is a bit of info or you feel through previous postings that the person is a 'nice guy' then I will listen to it. What puts me off commenting is the fact you feel obliged to give a positive response whatever the quality. Also, why Preston (for example) gets comments is the fact he is one of the first to welcome a newcomer to the forum and one of the first to praise everybody. There is nothing wrong with being an amateur, indeed the word derives from the ancient Greek 'love'. I would far rather hearing music played with love than a sterile well produced slick tune. I am at fault for not posting comments to him, and that is wrong of me, so can I say' thanks Preston I really enjoy hearing you play'! Neal, if you give a bit of info I will gladly listen, or even if it's just 'Hi, what do you think of my tune, feel free to comment, thanks' rather than nothing at all. I haven't got anything against you or your playing but if I clicked on every link I saw on the internet I wouldn't have any leisure time! Please don't think it's anything personal! Mark  So, for me, it's the way it's presented
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 01:06 pm |
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Charlie Approved 
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Well I agree with Mark about giving more information and title and I normly don't go to other links to hear a song as EZFOLK has a place to put the song right here on this sight. Another reason you see so many numbers on a post is that as I do listen to a lot of them and if it does not catch my insterst quickly, I will stop it and go on and not listen to the complete song, I am not going to comment and tell that person I do not like it as to hurt him because I know it will. I don't fell bad when some one does not comment on anything I put up because I am not a very good musician and only enjoy trying in my simple ways. I will always try and comment on a new person to the board and listen to their music and then if they are trying to learn the ukulele or banjo I will comment to them. Most of the time I could not advise most of the people here as they know much more than I do about music and when I came on board here I recieved so much help and still do with my learning. This is one of the best sites on the internet for me and will continue to spend my time here with all my friends I have made. Thanks for listening Charlie
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 01:12 pm |
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Mark and Charlie make good points. There are a steady stream of posts and songs here. There are links to songs elsewhere and there are only a fixed number of hours in a day. Not all of the them are spent on line. There is also the idea that this is the internet. While it would be nice is people offered encouragement, support and constructive criticism, no one is under the obligation to do so. A thicker skin is something we all (myself included) should consider as worth cultivating.
____________________ My MP3 Section: http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/1143/ My Myspace area: http://myspace.com/philj200 |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11th, 2007 04:16 pm |
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Yes, I cannot agree more. I just wrote a blog less than a week ago requesting that people who download our music (FOR FREE) at least say "HI". I have had four downloads since with no responce. I have had 100 downloads all together and have only received 3 comments all from the same person, and only 5 ratings. I dont understand how someone could want to own a copy of an musicians music (for free) and not say "hi, its me" or "thanks". Im not a huge downloader but I am a fan of quite a few people on EZF, Smiffy, John w Rockwell, and the newest example the Grumpy Neighbors... ect, and Im damn sure they all know it. It is extremely frustrating and makes me want to remove the option to download. What good is it to give away music and not even receive feedback from the people who now can enjoy it for a life time. Scott May Last edited on Mon Jun 11th, 2007 04:19 pm by UnM |
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