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 Posted: Sun Jun 15th, 2008 12:57 pm
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I've been looking around for various "Celtic" or Irish tunes so I can play rhythm for my son as he learns to play them on tin whistle. So far I have not been able to find any. I'm picking away at learning how to figure them out myself but thought it wouldn't hurt to ask if anyone knows a site with these few songs or the Tabs:

Star of the county Down

Mairi's Wedding

Early one Morning

Thanks in advance!

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A quick Google search turned up these sites:

   http://www.cpmusic.com/tradmus.html
http://www.blackflute.com/music/tunes.html
http://www.mne.psu.edu/lamancusa/tunes.htm
http://www.ceolas.org/tunes/
http://www.oldmusicproject.com/allans.html
http://www.thesession.org/

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Greetings,

You should also get to the area session(s) with your son so he can give a listen and eventually play some of the tunes along with the group.  There is no substitute for learning the music this way as it's an aural tradition and there's more to it then just playing the right notes and/or accompaniment.

As well as the ABC's for thousands of tunes the Session.org (http://www.thesession.org) has a fairly complete listing of sessions around the world .  Click on the "sessions" link in the box on the right of the home page then search for your town/city or just the state.  I would suggest your son concentrate on learning the tunes (jigs, reels, etc.) before song accompaniment.  The lift and swing, the very heart of the music, is in the tunes.  Songs often are sung to the melody of a tune, not always but even when not they where born of the same musical tradition and follow the same or very similar structure.

By the way I play "The Star of County Down" with this chord form progression in standard tunning:  Am C G Am C G Am C G Am Em Am C G Am G Am C G Am Em Am.  If your son has a "D" whistle this chord form progression would work if you put a capo on the second fret.

All the best to you both.

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Greetings again,

I apologize as I didn't even pay attention to the forum your post was under.  In my world rhythm accompaniment is normally played on a guitar, bouzouki, or bodhran.  I "assumed" you intended to use a guitar for the accompaniment.  Scratch "The Star of County Down" ramblings but the other information and suggestions still stand.

Be sure a Uke would be a welcomed addition to any session you get to before you take it out and play.  The folks at some sessions have a very narrow view as to what instruments and playing styles are considered a part of the tradition.  That said, even these sessions would be invaluable to your son's learning the whistle.

All the best!

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Hi Ed, thanks for your thoughts on this subject!

Unfortunately, "TheSession.org" reports that there are not any sessions within reasonable driving range of here. But as we are both new to this I doubt that we need to worry about that yet. And truthfully, although we certainly do like Irish music, public playing is not our primary goal. Irish music is just a new entry point for my son's music lessons in general. And mine. As it stands, I tap and hum the beat and bass notes to help him keep in time.

I just thought it would be nice to strum along on the ukulele.

I happen to have hundreds of sheet music, paper copies of irish tunes. But while I can read music on a rudimentary level, those numerical tabs somehow make immediate sense to me. I was just hoping that someone had already done the work of turning those particular tunes into ukulele tabs of some sort. My extensive google searches didn't find much of that, which is why I posted my question.

I'm refreshing myself on those elementary music theory lessons I took 35 years ago, in hopes of learning to recast songs on to the Uke. I'll still be looking for tabs though if you happen across any.

Thanks again.



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Ed Saultz wrote:   The folks at some sessions have a very narrow view as to what instruments and playing styles are considered a part of the tradition. 

 

Ah, this might explain why there is so little Irish music in the various lists of Ukulele music tabs. Guitar tabs work to some extent...

I can understand someone who wants to preserve a tradition being a little exclusive. We need to keep some lines pure even while experimenting with hybrids. But since I'm not a fan of Hawiian music and since I am rather fond of Irish music - and since I've got this Ukulele right here.....



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Yoik wrote: Ed Saultz wrote:   The folks at some sessions have a very narrow view as to what instruments and playing styles are considered a part of the tradition. 

 

Ah, this might explain why there is so little Irish music in the various lists of Ukulele music tabs. Guitar tabs work to some extent...

I can understand someone who wants to preserve a tradition being a little exclusive. We need to keep some lines pure even while experimenting with hybrids. But since I'm not a fan of Hawiian music and since I am rather fond of Irish music - and since I've got this Ukulele right here.....
I would't hesitate to play Irish music on the ukulele. The bouzouki isn't exactly an authentic Irish instrument, and folk music by its nature isn't normally instrument-specific. Have fun!

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Greetings Yoik,

I understand that you don't feel ready to attend a session, I also understand that Irish music may not be your or your son's main musical interest.  My suggestion to get to a session was to introduce you to the soul of the music, something most likely missed simply by listening to CD's or reading the music in whatever form.  If there are none publicly listed try contacting a local Irish organization or see if there is a Comhaltas branch nearby.  Sessions are generally informal gatherings at a pub or someone's home so the intent is not public performing, just having some tunes with friends.

As to the Uke I did not mean to imply that it was completely unwelcome.  I just wanted you to be aware of how some sessions are run.

Greetings Neilg,

Aye, the bouzouki is indeed not an "authentic" Irish instrument just like the guitar, bodhran, piano, button accordion, fiddle, hell the list goes on for quite a bit.  All that said in general these instruments are well entrenched in the tradition as it has evolved.  I think the only "truly authentic Irish instruments" may only be the Harp and Uilleann pipes.  In days ahead the Uke may very well be a common instrument in the tradition. 

All the best to you both!

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Just as an update I was able to find a couple of those tunes, although they need some adaptation to play with a tin whistle. Well, actually, athough someone may be able to just change the key, I pretty much had to refigure them from scratch.



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Yoik wrote: I've been looking around for various "Celtic" or Irish tunes so I can play rhythm for my son as he learns to play them on tin whistle. So far I have not been able to find any. I'm picking away at learning how to figure them out myself but thought it wouldn't hurt to ask if anyone knows a site with these few songs or the Tabs:

Star of the county Down

Mairi's Wedding

Early one Morning

Thanks in advance!

For Irish music, which is commonly played in the keys of G, D, and A, a baritone uke (in lieu of a guitar) might be more suitable for accompaniment, since you are probably playing rhythm backup for your son's tinwhistle, and the more low end you can generate, the better.  The neck is longer and wider, but the chord shapes are the same; just transposed to a different key. 

Here's what a baritone uke sounds like in the guitar's role (this was recorded back in January 2004, before I learned how to play guitar):

The Chicken Reel

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You might try getting your hands on a Barney McKenna CD.  Barney has played with the Dubliners for over 40 years now.  He plays tenor banjo; and I'm told he redefined the use of tenor banjo in Irish music by popularising a different tuning.

 

As for the bazouki: it was introduced to Irish music by Johnny Moynihan in the late 60s (after a very pleasant holiday in Greece), and since then has firmly established itself in Irish music............... to the frustration of some purists.  In fact, I recently saw an interview with Johnny Moynihan where he said that, for once, he's like to hear a new recording of Irish music without a f**king bazouki on it!

 

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Try these Irish music melody tabs for ukulele:

Here's the TinyUrl for it:
http://tinyurl.com/5rvb7d

Here's the full link if you don't like TinyUrl links:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a18e92d5e21704b1d5a101cf914073b4f99cfbb4b9265334



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Thanks! That's a great set of tabs!



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