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ezmember Approved
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Is there an easier way to find the name of a chord than having to go through the whole chord book looking for the shape? For example, if I figure out by ear the chord I want, and just for an easy example, that shape is 2010 and I don't know it's an F, what can I do to at least narrow the answer down a little so I don't have to go thru the whole chord book looking for that shape? On another thread, ukeforever just gave me these chord shapes (5433 / 5453 / 5657 / 5655 / 4566 for the Intro to Iz's 'Ka Pua U'i'. Now I want to find out what the names of those chords are, but not by looking for those shapes in the chord book because it takes forever and makes my eyes spin. Can somebody tell me how, so in the future it might be a little easier for me?
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neilg Approved
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Besides memorization the only way would be to learn the notes on the uke. That way you'd know automatically that when playing the 2010 shape for F that your "2" is on A, 0 is C, 1 is F and 0 is A. Then you'd know you have A,C,F,A for F major. Last edited on Tue Mar 25th, 2008 05:27 pm by neilg |
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UkeForever Approved 
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Yeah, knowing the notes in scales and chords helps. But we can also look at relative shapes. You know 3211 is Bb because you play that shape all of the time. Therefore, 5433, a whole step "up" is C. That's easy. Add the "5" on the second string, and you get 5453. Adding that "A" in a C chord makes a C6. (C scale= CDEFGABC, and the sixth note is...yep, an A.) Now Let's look at those chords: We know that 2322 is a B7, 3433 is C7, so 5655 must be D7. Now, if we look at 5657, we find we've added an "E" note. Let's see...D7+an E (seventh degree + ninth degree of scale)=D9. (The octave is "8"--another D). Jazz chords get weird on the ukulele--a lot is implied, especially with more complex chords. For example, a 13th chord means you have the basic triplet, plus the seventh, plus the ninth, plus the 11th, plus the 13th. So in C, those notes would be C, E, G, Bb, D, F, A. The ukulele only has four strings, so how do you play a 13th? You drop notes. See how it can get confusing? Here's where it gets weird. 4556. Those notes are B, F, A, D#. Anyone wanna try that one? (I'll come back and edit this post...break is over now...) The root of that shape is a minor sixth (4555 would be D minor sixth--BFAD, B is the sixth). But what does that sharp do? It changes the context. D# gives it a major noise, so we have the notes of a B triad B, D#, and F#, right? Nope, the F is natural, so we don't have a perfect major triad. We also have A (the seventh of B). So what is the chord? B seventh, with a flatted fifth, which looks like this: B7-5 Chord progression: C, C6, D9, D7, B7-5, C, G7, G7+2, G7 There's the intro. The reason I didn't just give chords is because there are multiple fingering possibilities, and to get the notes that Iz used, we have to shape the chords according to that. You can use this chart on ezFolk to figure out notes of chord shapes you find: Ukulele Fretboard Notes Last edited on Tue Mar 25th, 2008 07:58 pm by UkeForever ____________________ Don't let the door hit 'ya where the good Lord split 'ya. John Rockwell's Crazy Songs 
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neilg Approved
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UkeForever wrote:
In this round of "Stump the Band".... It's a B-b7-b5 (B7dim5?)which is interesting. It's also an F7b5. (D# is Eb, enharmonically as the 7th, and B is Cb as the 5th). edit: my 1st observation was wrong, don't know what I was thinking. Last edited on Tue Mar 25th, 2008 11:16 pm by neilg |
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UkeForever Approved
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The F7-5 works as well, yep. Contextually the name would belong with what the bass player decided to do. Walking up from the leading tone to the tonic, it'd be a B7-5. Leading in from the perfect fourth, it'd be F7-5. Since there is no bass player, who knows? I find the lead tone a bit jazzier. Naw, the F makes more sense, progression-wise. Last edited on Tue Mar 25th, 2008 08:27 pm by UkeForever ____________________ Don't let the door hit 'ya where the good Lord split 'ya. John Rockwell's Crazy Songs
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Charlie Approved 
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OK Easymember, Do you have all that These guys are good, I have already failed the test Charlie
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ezmember Approved
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!Gyuood Gyoosh!!!!!!!!!!!!
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UkeForever Approved
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That WAS the easy way, btw.
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ezmember wrote:
I think this is what you were looking for... an on-line chord generator that works for all kinds of string instruments (guitar, uke, mandolin, etc.). Just punch in the dots on the fretboard diagram, and it will tell you what chord it is: http://www.gootar.com/folder/ukulele.html Last edited on Wed Mar 26th, 2008 08:05 am by Will ____________________ Will http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/297/ Loose Change & Friends http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/245/ http://loosechangeandfriends.com The Earth Tones http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/337/ A Bunch Of Coconuts http://abunchofcoconuts.com |
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ezmember Approved
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Did any of you notice that suspicious-looking smile on ukeforever's face! His way is the HARD WAY. Will is my savior, showing me the EASY WAY! hahahaha Actually, I'm very appreciative to get both, because I can go to gootar and find out fast, or, I can study ukeforever's way and learn the theory behind it all, which is what I really need to do. So thanks to you both!  P.S. Edit....Will, how do you put the notes on the fretboard at gootar? Last edited on Wed Mar 26th, 2008 10:10 pm by ezmember |
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neilg Approved
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I still maintain that the answer to your original question is to learn the notes on the instrument, and to learn to read music. Then all that theory will make so much more sense, IMO.
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Will Approved
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ezmember wrote:
I've come across other web sites that allow you to just mouse click the fretboard positions. I've found one that works for guitar (see below), that even will play it out loud for you. I'll look to see if I can find chord namers for ukulele or other string instruments. http://jguitar.com/chordname
____________________ Will http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/297/ Loose Change & Friends http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/245/ http://loosechangeandfriends.com The Earth Tones http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/337/ A Bunch Of Coconuts http://abunchofcoconuts.com |
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Will Approved
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ezmember wrote:
I've come across other web sites that allow you to just mouse click the fretboard positions. I've found one that works for guitar (see below), that even will play it out loud for you. Baritone uke players: select "mute" for the low E and low A. I'll look to see if I can find chord namers for ukulele or other string instruments. http://jguitar.com/chordname
____________________ Will http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/297/ Loose Change & Friends http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/245/ http://loosechangeandfriends.com The Earth Tones http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/337/ A Bunch Of Coconuts http://abunchofcoconuts.com |
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UkeForever Approved
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There's nothing wrong with learning a little bit of music theory if you're playing an instrument.
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neilg Approved
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UkeForever wrote: There's nothing wrong with learning a little bit of music theory if you're playing an instrument.I would think it's unavoidable.
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ezmember Approved
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You mean it's not a sin. Music theory? If it's not a sin then I have no excuse. No good one at least. I know there's a ukulele chord generator here somewhere...I just saw it a couple of days ago and I could swear I had it in my 'favorites'. The name of it slips me. I just found it.... http://www.sheep-entertainment.nl/ukulele/index.html Edit...which brings up a question. The tab 4566 says its a C#+7-5 What's that? Last edited on Thu Mar 27th, 2008 03:14 am by ezmember |
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UkeForever Approved
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First, I changed that chord. Second, it would be a C#major with a sharped seventh and flatted fifth. That's weird, because a "sharped" seventh would be the same as a major seventh. Are you sure about that + sign?
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ezmember Approved
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If a sharped 7th is the same as a major 7th, why doesn't it just say C7-5 ? Yea, at the sheep site, 4566 says its a C#+7-5
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UkeForever Approved
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Actually, that would be C#maj7-5.
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neilg Approved
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ezmember wrote: I'm no expert on chord symbols but here's what I think I know: The most common convention is to write dominant 7 chords as just the letter and the 7, meaning the major chord with a minor seventh. Even if it's not, strictly speaking, a dominant (V) chord, that's how you translate that symbol. Cmin7 is a minor chord with a minor 7th, ie. C,Eb.G.Bb If you want a major seventh write Cmaj7. ie, C,E.G.B If I see C+7, I think it's an augmented chord with a minor 7th, ie., C,E,G#,Bb I've seen the "+" sign used as a sharp but it shouldn't be used that way, IMO. Lastly, I'm confused (what a surprise!): 4566 on a C tuning is B,F,A#,D#, isn't it? That's what I call a Bmaj7b5. Are you tuning your uke A, D, F#, B ?
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