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Jeffboy Approved
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Hi Just got a Lanikai LU-21T tenor uke (comes with ghs strings, 3rd string wound). The strings as I got it from the shop are tuned to F A# D G Which is like what everyone says G C E A but two steps down. The shopkeeper insisted that this FA#DG was the correct tuning. I tried to tune up to GCEA, but it does feel like the strings get too tight. Any hints on this ? Should I just tune it up to GCEA ? Is it perhaps fitted with special strings or something ? Thanks
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Charlie Approved 
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Hi Jeff, You are tuning the wrong way, You need to tune down to gcea and that would get the high tenison off the strings, When tuned to gcea and putting a capo on the second fret, That puts it back up to F A# D G. But most modern day tuning and most all newer books with have gcea Hope this helps Charlie
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Jeffboy Approved
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Ok thanks, so no risk of the uke being fitted with non-GCEA capable strings  ?Thanks again
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Jeffboy Approved
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Also, can you please explain: You wrote that when tuned _up_ to G (so the open 4th string is a G note, up from current F), then a capo on 2nd fret would make it F again ? Wouldn't it rather be an A then ??
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Charlie Approved
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I may have confused you, Lets forget about the F A#DG tuning and the capo thing. The top string that is close to your chin as you hold it is High g and the next one down should be a C and the next one down should be E and next one should be a A That will give you a gCea tuning or as the sound should be like ( my dog has fleas ) I can't remember where there is a sound file for this that you can listen to, but maybe some one else will chime in here and tell us. Good luck and hang in there Charlie
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HowlinHobbit Approved 
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Jeffboy wrote: Just got a Lanikai LU-21T tenor uke (comes with ghs strings, 3rd string wound). The strings as I got it from the shop are tuned to This is a viable alternate tuning (though it's usually called Bb tuning, same notes, you just call the A# a Bb). The shopkeeper was wrong if he/she insisted it was the standard tuning. The only trouble with it is if you're just learning. There will be little to no online material about this tuning and very few to no books featuring it. Plus, if you're involved in a uke club (or other group of that nature) you're going to be confused trying to watch what others are playing as they're likely to be in C tuning (GCEA), at least in the US. It's not two steps down, it's two frets down. A fret is a half-step so it's actually only one step down. Charlie wrote: You are tuning the wrong way, You need to tune down to gcea and that would get the high tenison off the strings Sorry, Charlie, but you have to tune up a step to get from Bb tuning to C tuning. And one step shouldn't make the strings too terribly over-tight, unless they're the wrong strings in the first place or you have them up an octave from where they should be (which I think would cause at least one of them to break). Last edited on Fri Feb 15th, 2008 07:58 pm by HowlinHobbit ____________________ Howlin' Hobbit Got Uke? MySpace ezFolk UkeLand |
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Jeffboy Approved
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Thanks for reply Hobbit Only question remains is then - how to determine if the strings are correct ? At the current F A# D G tuning they are pretty tight already, feels just a little tighter than the steel strings on my western guitar. One step up makes them so thight I get nervous they will break They are not a full octave too high for sure... Do strings intented to be F tuned even exist ??
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Charlie Approved
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Thanks HH for the correction, I was hoping some one would come in here and help as I am no person to try to explain these thing. Charlie
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scrooner Approved
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If the shop thinks that's standard tuning, it's possible they put the strings on the instrument the wrong way I would chuck the strings & start over with Aquilas. Better strings to begin with.
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HowlinHobbit Approved
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scrooner wrote: If the shop thinks that's standard tuning, it's possible they put the strings on the instrument the wrong way Gad! I didn't even think of that. Good catch, scrooner. Or just the wrong strings (i.e. meant for a lower tuning).
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Jeffboy Approved
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Thanks for your replies! I just called the shop for more information, and now they say that the uke should ONLY be tuned in ADF#H But the one I got was tuned in F ... Wonder what they are on to... Maybe the issue is different tunings between tenor / soprano ?Anyway I'd like it in GCEA to fit the tutorials, and that does seem to tense the strings too much with the current strings. So I have ordered some Aquila strings that say both Tenor and GCEA on them, guess I will be safe with those !
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geoffg Approved 
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Hi Guys I've just bought a Tenor Banjo and was wondering if its feasible to swap round the 3rd and 4th strings and tune it to GCEA as is my grand daughter's Banjolele. Then maybe I could strum along with her and only need 3 chords!!  cheers geoff Last edited on Sat Feb 16th, 2008 02:10 pm by geoffg |
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Will Approved 
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geoffg wrote: Hi Guys Geoff: That idea will not work - a tenor banjo is tuned in fifths, not fourths, to CGDA. You would have to install different gauge strings (the four long strings from a standard 5-string banjo set would work) to DGBE baritone uke tuning, and use a capo at the fifth fret to get GCEA (low-G). The tenor banjo's tuning is spread so far apart that the GCEA ukulele range would fit "inside" the 3 highest strings. Tenor Banjo: C D E F G A B C D E F G A Ukulele: G C E A Last edited on Sat Feb 16th, 2008 03:54 pm by Will ____________________ Will http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/297/ Loose Change & Friends http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/245/ http://loosechangeandfriends.com The Earth Tones http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/337/ A Bunch Of Coconuts http://abunchofcoconuts.com |
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HowlinHobbit Approved
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geoffg wrote: I've just bought a Tenor Banjo and was wondering if its feasible to swap round the 3rd and 4th strings and tune it to GCEA as is my grand daughter's Banjolele. You couldn't just "swap the strings" but if you got the proper gauges you could certainly tune it GCEA.
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lenf Approved
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Jeffboy wrote:I just called the shop for more information, and now they say that the uke should ONLY be tuned in ADF#H Neal tunes a lot of his ukes in H, especially his tenors. I tried it once, but I can't sing an H, so I went up to J and things are fine.
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geoffg Approved
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Thanks guys for the help. geoff
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scrooner Approved
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Note to self: Be wary of shops that think H is a key. Holy cow.
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HowlinHobbit Approved
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scrooner wrote: Note to self: Be wary of shops that think H is a key. Then don't go to Germany. In German music notation, H is B♮ (B-natural) and B is B♭ (B-flat). That's how Bach was able to spell out his name in one of his tunes. (Dang if I can remember which one though.)
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hrlarson Approved 
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That was until recently the case in Sweden as well. Still when people say something is played in B most instrumentalists get confused: "Is that Bb or H?" Edit: Even though ukuleles outside of the US often are tuned ADF#B, that is the case mostly for sopranos and concert sized ukes. I guess GCEA is the most common tenor tuning anywhere. Another edit: And why did europeans think that it was a good idea to name the notes A H C D E F G? The answer is: they didn't. It is a case of a misread italic b that looked like a italic h. A very early case of a virus corrupting information. ;-) Last edited on Wed Feb 20th, 2008 03:52 pm by hrlarson ____________________ I'm not addicted. I can stop playing anytime I want. |
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lenf Approved
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HowlinHobbit wrote: That's how Bach was able to spell out his name in one of his tunes. (Dang if I can remember which one though.) Old Bach used the motif in The Art of the Fugue, though more often he transposed the order in various ways in other works, St. Matthew Passion and Well-Tempered Clavier. But the bit, Bb-A-C-B nat, was very widely used later in all sorts of homage pieces to Bach, from Schuman and Listz to Arvo Part - over 400 according to some Bach scholars.
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