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banjo brad Super Moderator 
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Philj200- Just idle curiosity, but is the Frankinbanjo the same one that has been detailed on banjo-L? Interesting work. Do you have a link posted here so we can see it (I'm too lazy to go lookin')?  Keep on pickin'Brad
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Philj200 Approved 
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Yes it is. And I posted a pix toward the end of the thread. Having lived with it for a few weeks in playable condition, I've pretty much doped out what comes next. Replace the medium gauge strings with light. Remove and reduce the nut (and replace), install the tension rod I bought from StewMac. That's not really necessary but I think it might make the banjo more stable long term. Replace the tailpiece which is missing parts (and oddly still working) with an adjustable one. Some day, I'll replace the freboard binding. I didn't do a good job on that. But it needs a unique size so I had to cut down a larger size and that was not easy. The wood the neck is made from resists staining. So be it. I'll probably give it a coat of varnish and pronoucne it finished. Save you the trouble, this is Frankenbanjo: Attachment: long neck banjo.jpg (Downloaded 93 times) Last edited on Fri Aug 12th, 2005 01:57 pm by Philj200 ____________________ My MP3 Section: http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/1143/ My Myspace area: http://myspace.com/philj200 |
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SmallHop Approved 
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Nice Banjo, Frets! SmallHop 
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1four5 Approved 
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ps. 1four5, you gotta get frets a banjo, now! ...I was wondering if anyone was gonna notice!  ...yep, Frets got him a banjo...even if it is only an inch longLast edited on Fri Aug 12th, 2005 09:18 pm by 1four5 ____________________ These are the good times! |
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banjo brad Super Moderator
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Thanks, it's a lot easier to have had you post again here than for me to try to wade my way through the archives on Banjo-L! Nice job, I guess the neck-bolt would be stood in for by the 5-th string tuner? I'll be interested in following your next projects! Keep on pickin'Brad ps. Too bad we haven't been able to get more of the L'ers to participate over here!
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Philj200 Approved
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"Nice job, I guess the neck-bolt would be stood in for by the 5-th string tuner?" --Not sure I follow. Neck bolt in my understanding, is the long wood screw that holds the neck to the rim. Using one of them from a Gibson tenor made in 1920. So the bolt is at least that old. There is a 5th string peg, a cheap one from StewMac or Elderly. Not shown on that photgraph is a neck strap which I use like a guitar. It attaches from the tailpiece to the tuning board. I didn't want to take Pete Seeger's route and use an eye-bolt partway up the neck. And attaching the strap to the rim was a balance nightmare. That neck is very heavy. Heavier than the rim! My next project...and I don't think I'll turn the cello into a tenor guitar... will be to consider turning a beach guitar junker into an inadaquate 12-string. I wanted to convert it to a resonator guitar but a techie at StewMac talked me out of it. Attachment: banjoboy2.jpg (Downloaded 82 times) Last edited on Sat Aug 13th, 2005 02:53 pm by Philj200 ____________________ My MP3 Section: http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/1143/ My Myspace area: http://myspace.com/philj200 |
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banjo brad Super Moderator
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Pj- Don't tell me you never saw the movie! Frankie has a Big ol' bolt thru his neck!  Or, maybe, you belong to that younger generation that ain't never seen a black and white monster movie  Keep on pickin'Brad ps. Just be sure that the neck is strong enough for a 12-string. I know the old Stellings were normally tuned down a whole step (that's what Leadbelly played). Good luck.
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Philj200 Approved
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Well that's a slap of the farhead... Of course...and I considered myself a big fan of the old b/w genre. But Frankie didn't have the bolt. He placed it there. Took the plate off the tuning board of the beach guitar. There is a tube of some kind running up the neck. So it will probably be strong enough. I plan to use a tail piece like the old Stellas (as I recall the spelling). I think it will reduce the pressure on the face of the instrument. StewMac offers a nickle-plated 12-string tail piece for 32 bucks plus s&h. But they are not showing tuning machines. Still thinking about the nut and saddle. Will probably go to Guitar World and measure a few instruments. I plan on keeping the instrument, if I ever finish it, tuned two frets down. I wrked on 6-to-12 string conversions, but that was a long time ago. Thanks for your interest. It keeps me thinking.
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banjo brad Super Moderator
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Stelling, Stella Banjo, Guitar What can I say, I knew it was Stella (by starlight?) That tube is probably a coordinating rod, or just a neck reinforcement. The tailpiece idea is probably a good one. Using the soundboard tailpiece might be too much for the top. Keep on pickin'Brad
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Philj200 Approved
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Brad, Are you playing on an old Vega?
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banjo brad Super Moderator
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PhilJ- If you're referring to my avatar, the answer is "no." Of course, if you have listened to any of my banjo tunes, the answer is still "no." That is my first, and only, banjo - a Deering Good Time! I don't the wherewithall to shop for another banjo, and, really, rather like the sound I get from this one. The only thing I might do is attempt a frailing scoop, but that means the instrument would be unplayable for a while, and I don't know if I could stand the withdrawals  .The only things I did in way of changing the set-up as it came from the store was position the bridge properly. I use Martin Vega Medium Guage banjo strings, changing them . . . well, I changed them a couple of times in the first few months I has the instrument, but I haven't put new strings on for well over 4 years, now. I have also stuffed an old tee shirt between the coordinator rod and the head between the bridge and back of the pot. Keep on pickin'Brad
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If you're referring to my avatar, --Yes. the answer is "no." Of course, if you have listened to any of my banjo tunes, the answer is still "no." --I’m on line mostly at the office, so I have the speaker turned off. Besides, it looks like a Vega. That is my first, and only, banjo - a Deering Good Time! --Okay. Then who bought out the Vega company. Was it Deering? I don't the wherewithall to shop for another banjo, --Me neither. Hence Frankenbanjo. and, really, rather like the sound I get from this one. --The sound from my old and little Gibson is vastly superior to Frank’s as well. The only thing I might do is attempt a frailing scoop, --What’s that? I prefer wider bridges, but both frail and finger pick on both. I’ve set the bridges on Little Miss Gibson and Frank to the exact same width. The bridge on Frank is a smidge and three quarters higher. but that means the instrument would be unplayable for a while, and I don't know if I could stand the withdrawals. --Just remember to breath deep and know that it will be over soon. The only things I did in way of changing the set-up as it came from the store was position the bridge properly. I use Martin Vega Medium Guage banjo strings, --Put mediums on Frank and regret it. I play it every day and they last and last. Damn. After using lighter strings on the other banjo all these years I should have stayed with them. changing them . . . well, I changed them a couple of times in the first few months I has the instrument, but I haven't put new strings on for well over 4 years, --The green growth is NOT a naturally occurring antibiotic. now. I have also stuffed an old tee shirt between the coordinator rod and the head between the bridge and back of the pot. --I used an old cloth diaper (clean) as a mute. I liked the way it evened-out the tone. But I missed the volume when playing with others. Now, I’ll sometimes wedge a piece of rubber under the under the strings near the tail piece. It damps secondary vibrations and makes the individual notes clean and clear without messing with volume. Try it. But make sure you use something pliable to avoid damaging the tailpiece or skin.
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banjo brad Super Moderator
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ok:--Okay. Then who bought out the Vega company. Was it Deering? I think Stelling bought the Vega name (trying to remember if I saw it in the threads on Banjo-L or in BNL). The only thing I might do is attempt a frailing scoop, A frailing scoop is where the Fingerboard just off of the rim has been "scooped" to allow frailing up on the neck. Normally achieved by removing 5 -7 frets and removing the finger board. There was a link to some pictures on Banjo-L the other day, but I can't find it now. --Just remember to breath deep and know that it will be over soon. But what happens is I screw up I would banjo-less!--Put mediums on Frank and regret it. I play it every day and they last and last. Damn. After using lighter strings on the other banjo all these years I should have stayed with them. I like the fact they last - as they age, the sound I want comes out better. They did hit two dead spots, but played through and have that "less bright" sound that I think is part of the old-time sound. --The green growth is NOT a naturally occurring antibiotic. Green growth? Here in Arizona? I sure don't feel any spines on the strings!  Now, I’ll sometimes wedge a piece of rubber under the under the strings near the tail piece. It damps secondary vibrations and makes the individual notes clean and clear without messing with volume. I've used foam, hook-&-loop fasteners (velcro) over the strings, magnets over the strings, wood behind the bridge, but I haven't tried rubber - I'll have to look for a piece and try it. (I have also tried to mute by using an elastic guitar capo around the bridge). Keep on pickin'Brad Last edited on Fri Aug 19th, 2005 08:21 pm by banjo brad ____________________ ezFolk Help Brad Prickly Pear Music Banjo Brad's ezFolk page TOTMC |
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theBlackman Approved 
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You might try Steaming them out. Most "dents" in wood can be raised with a damp clothe and a hot iron (as in for clothing). Put the cloth (well dampened but not soaking) over the dents and press the iron firmly on the clothe over the dent. This works on most hard woods. You may need to do it two or three times. Then just use wet/dry 300 grit to smooth it out.
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banjo brad Super Moderator
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Blackman- Did you see the pictures? I think fiber was actually removed during the early days from this fingerboard. Keep on pickin'Brad
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Philj200 Approved
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Frailing scoop: New one on me. But I don't think I like the idea. The action on Frank is high enough not to interfere. And the set up on Miss Gibson is just right (for me) never to fuss with it. Had a couple of hours to play with Frank; installed a tension rod. Installed a new adjustible tailpiece and finally noticed I had the retaining ring on wrong. Reset that. Put light gauge strings on only to discover that they are not long enough! Bummed me out big time. Had one more set of mediums. They're back on. But the hook for the 5th string was not stamped correctly. There is no loop, just a detente. I had to attach the loop of the 5th string to the same hook as the 4th string. Next time I have the energy, I think I can fix it with a jewelers saw. The new bridge seems to have improved the tone. This isn't a case of the wood pushed in, but dug out. (I think the CSI report of the perp's fingernail scrapings would indicate Bye Bye Blackbird.) Agree that steaming would not help the uke fretboard. Maybe a decade or so ago. Working on a version of Bonaparte's Retreat. Nice tune.
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banjo brad Super Moderator
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Philj Just decide not to add the "place in France" phrase! There was quite a thread about that on Banjo-L some time back. I like the song, and have played it some, but just don't have it to a point for recording. For a picture of a scooped neck, try this link: http://www.banjo.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=99 Also, I found that Deering has the Vega rights, now. Keep on pickin'Brad Last edited on Mon Aug 22nd, 2005 08:05 pm by banjo brad ____________________ ezFolk Help Brad Prickly Pear Music Banjo Brad's ezFolk page TOTMC |
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Philj200 Approved
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Never did learn the words. They were a little on the silly side for me. Saw the image of the scooped neck. It looks incomplete! But it also looks like the Vega FS-5 I purchased brand new for $75 in the early 60's. I saw the price asked and can only wonder. My old Vega came without an arm-rest. So I assume the arm-rest on the scooped banjo is worth over $900 not counting inflation (wink). I never cared for the look of the tuning board, so I recarved it to look old. And I installed inlay much the same way I suggested for the uke repair. That banjo is at home, I'll try to post a picture of it if the dentrites hold together long enough. I purchased an autoharp from a guy in Arizona on e-bay. It should arrive any moment. JPG of Miss Gibson Head added later: Attachment: Miss Gibson Head.jpg (Downloaded 41 times) Last edited on Tue Aug 23rd, 2005 01:42 pm by Philj200 ____________________ My MP3 Section: http://ezfolk.com/audio/bands/1143/ My Myspace area: http://myspace.com/philj200 |
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banjo brad Super Moderator
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Philj- Interesting inlay work. That head took more woodworking skill than I possess! Keep on pickin'Brad
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Philj200 Approved
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In the Fools Rush In Department: I really took a big chance of messing the banjo up beyond redemption. I was not all that skilled (not th | |||||||||||||
