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 Posted: Tue Feb 14th, 2006 12:56 am
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Hi

Im not really a beginner with guitar, but I'd like to play more acoustic 'picky' folk. What is the best way to learn different techniques?  Basically, how do you learn to play like that?!!

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First, welcome to the wonderful world of folk music! This is a great site for this type of music.

Now, a great place to start learning some finger-picking styles is the folk guitar tutorials easily available from the home page here.

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Thanks Brad ...hopefully I'll learn something here :) Do you play?

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Folk guitar, classical guitar, clawhammer banjo, ukelele (clawhammer and strum), and learning fiddle.
(Also fool around some with harmonicas, jaws harp, recorder and kazoo).

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Wow, cool! Banjo is definitely an instrument I'd like to try one day, it can be really beautiful. I also play violin...I saw that you've started lessons...hope it goes well for you! Your fingers should already be pretty strong, but its definitely a very different playing style :P



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Hi B!!!

Man, beware...banjo's are evil. The only way to tame a banjo with some cool country pickin. If you do that clawhammerin thing...you wake up the dark side of that there banjo.:cool: 



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No, no, no! We're not the one's wallerin' in electonominical amplitutes an' mickkey phonys 'n such!

Clawhammer/OT banjo is PURE acoustic manna, the Nectar of the Gods, the True Force of Nature!:angel:

(If you notice, them bluegrass types tend to not be able to count properly - 1-4-5? Everybody knows the correct method is "bump-dit-ty, bump-a-dit-ty" :2smiledevil: )

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Hey Banhartian,

You have to watch out for Banjo Brad...he is the one who brainwashed me to get my first banjo. I swear though, it's like you gotta sell your soul to be able to clawhammer (but I'm still tryin!). My guitar is gathering dust bigtime...I'm loving my banjos. Oh yeah Brad, check out this picture...to see what the lectric banjo looks like:guitar1::2banjo:



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Hehehe that pic is awesome...didnt expect an electric banjo to look like that! So, is banjo Brad more of a traditionalist?? How did you learn to play your guitar, and your style?

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OHHHH Yeah!!!! Tradition is his middle name! he dazzles me every time he gets to clawin his banjo...so I just had to get me one...only trouble is, I took the fingerpickin road with it:cool:

I realized over two years ago that I'm a strummin clutz, so I started fingerpicking. Totally self taught. Any instrument I pick up (guitar/uke/banjo) my ring, middle and index finger get the high 3 strings (closest to the floor while playing), and my thumb gets whatever is left over. I play them all the same, just vary the patterns, timing and speed depending on the instrument or song. I've spent 1000,s of hours searching my brain for what my ears want to hear, and then trying to get it to my fingers. I've never used books or tab, just tell me the chords and let me go:) Mostly by mood and feel, and I hardly ever play a song the same twice.

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THAT's NO BANJO, that there is an electric guitar missing a string, with a built-in drum!
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B - Yeah, I like the traditional stuff. I've been playing folk music since the 50's, and really like the total acoustic sound. In other threads, I have gone off about analog vs digital, the use of drums and keyboards in folk music, stuff like that. I really am a nice guy, and tolerant (to a degree), but like to put in enough salt to keep things interesting.

Dean and I have been going on like this ever since I tried to lead him to the Light of traditional banjo-playing. Sadly, his soul seems to be beyond redemption, but I'll keep trying! :horn:

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THAT's NO BANJO, that there is an electric guitar missing a string, with a built-in drum!


ha! just wait till you hear it... you won't even be able to tell it's electric, it really sounds good...well...I'll have to turn off the heavy metal distortion and flanger:guitar1::2banjo2:



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But if you just pull it off the wall and FRAIL AWAY, can you get the volume of my Deering Goodtime Openback? :talk:

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Actually Brad, I was shocked at how much volume it has acoustic, it almost holds it's own in a living room type acoustic jam. I believe it's got a 9" head, and it's a solid body closed back...so the sound has nowhere to go but forward...it's not like an electric guitar which has nothing unplugged. It's not as loud as my acoustic banjo, but it's louder than say  an acoustic guitar. The smaller head also seems to vibrate at a higher frequency...it's very punchy.

Wow, cool! Banjo is definitely an instrument I'd like to try one day

If you go down this evil path:) ...when you pick your guitar back up, you will definately be picking more folky...it has an interesting influence on your guitar picking:2banjo2:



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Maybe I should look into it then...no time like the present :) You guys know about banjo's...what's a good begginer banjo? Are there lots of different types like guitars?

My acoustic guitar is pretty cheap, its a yamaha, but the body is really big so it gets a nice tone... Im not very happy with my electric though, its a fender jag-stang, which is a cross between my two favourite fenders...its good because my hands are small and its alot smaller than other electric guitars, the neck is alot narrower, but a few of the features on it are annoying.

Im better at picking than I am with a plectrum, just because Ive always enjoyed the sounds and the feeling of picking the strings. I think I'll have to listen to some different types of folk to get some new ideas...the sort of thing Ive been listening to is modern stuff like Devendra Banhart and Nick Drake. Have either of you heard a song by Israel Kamakawiwo'ole...his version of 'somewhere over the rainbow'...I cant tell whether he's using a ukelele or a banjo, but its really nice :)



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Iz was definitly ukelele!

How he ever held, let alone fingered a uke is beyond me.

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Maybe I should look into it then...no time like the present :) You guys know about banjo's...what's a good begginer banjo? Are there lots of different types like guitars?



Yes, there are tons of cookie cutter asian made entry level banjos with various names on them. The two banjos that constantly rise to the top with good reviews and satisfied pickers are the American made Deering GoodTime (Brad has one) and the American assembled (from asian parts) Gold Tone Cripple Creek (CC100R) That's what I have. I LOVE mine. It cost $314 last Summer, I think they are a little more now. I no longer consider mine a beginner's banjo...I simply consider it my banjo:)...explination: I started with my Cripple Creek CC100R, but then last fall I "thought" I needed a "good" banjo and bought a really nice banjo that retails new for over $2000 (I found a mint used one). After 4 months of playing it every evening, I couldn't convince myself I liked it better than my Cripple Creek. I sold the "good" banjo, and now play my CC100R every day, and appreciated it more than ever, and as far as a good old traditional acoustic banjo, am not looking for anything different...it feels perfect, sounds perfect, and does everything I need it to:2banjo2:

 

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Banhartian -
You have to watch these banjo player types... They take a perfectly good guitar question thread and ever so boldly turn it into a banjo thread... But, hey, that's what they do in a jam, too, isn't it?? :laugh10:

Don't mind me, I'm just jealous. My banjo has been gathering dust for years, and I just haven't had the time to pull it out and learn it correctly. Maybe when I'm satisfied with the guitar, the fiddle, the mandolin, and the bodhran, I'll pick it up again.:2dazed:

If you're not a beginning guitar player, and if you like his stuff, Dougie MacLean has a feature on his website called "Wee Guitar". If you leave a message, Steve Collins, the guy who runs it, will send you tabs of Dougie's work. I hadn't done any serious playing for a long time, and the tabs I got from Steve and Dougie put me back on the path to some really fine fingerpicking, and along the way gave me a good education on alternate tunings as well (DADGAD, open C). You can find it at: http://www.weeguitar.com/. (I may have posted this information before - sorry if I'm repeating myself.)

If you're not into Dougie's style of music, another way to learn the 'picky' thing is to start looking for tabs here at EZFolk or on the internet in general. Some of them are fantastic. By using the tabs and listening to the recordings, you can start to pull apart how folks do the fingerpicking on specific songs. That's the self study approach that worked for me.

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With 'picky' folk guitar you still want to work from a basic rhythm pattern. If you head over to http://howandtao.com and check out the subway shuffle podcast series I take a basic thumb-brush pattern and shape it into an alternating bass picking pattern. -Patrick

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Banhartian,

You should get yourself down to some local folk clubs and see what other guitarists are doing. That is the best way to get ideas of how to play.

I have been to folk club in Monmouth, probably a bit too far from Cardiff. It was very enjoyable. (My parents are in Hereford so it isnt far from them.)

Here's a link you could try.

http://www.folkandroots.co.uk/Venues_Wales.html

tara for now. :-)

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