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nofrets Approved
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Hi All, Learning Celtic fiddle kinda on my own, and don't want to build any bad habits. Could someone describe a "roll" used in ornamentation. If I was going to start on C on the A string, would the notes be C-B-C-D-C? This probably isn't just a fiddle question, so anyone should feel to answer. Thanks! Nofrets
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banjo brad Super Moderator 
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Sorry- I can't do anything on the fiddle even close to being called perfect, let alone Irish rolls!  
____________________ ezFolk Help Brad Prickly Pear Music Banjo Brad's ezFolk page TOTMC |
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Roger8510 Approved 
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Nofrets, you have it just backwards. The way Kevin Burke explains it on his HomeSpun instruction video is this way. Regardless of note you start on, (assuming it is not an open string note) you - - play the note - play the note above very quickly - play the note itself - play the note below - then finish playing the note itself In your example, it would be C, D, C, B, C Now, this can be a little bit misleading. The only note you really play is C. The others are pretty much grace notes, played so quickly we don't even give them any value. In my observation, the B note is many times not even played, just implied by lifting your second finger just enough to deaden the C note then press it back down on the C. Also, the D note is really just a flick of the finger. A roll takes the place of a quarter note, there just isn't a lot of time to play all those notes, especially on a reel or slide at fast tempo. If you want to play a roll on an open string, for example open A. Play the A, then flick your finger on BCB. It would actually be A, B, C, B, A. That can be either C natural or C sharp, doesn't really matter, because once again, you are playing them so fast you actually don't even need to press the string all the way down, just touch the string in the general vicinity of the notes. On the tenor banjo where the action is much higher and hard to play fast, I don't actually play either the D or the B, but I do lift my finger slightly to deaden the string while doing a bowed (picked) triplett. In my area we call those diddlys. It gives that staccato interruption that gives that traditional Irish ornamentation sound. A bowed triplet or long roll can be used interchanchably and probably should be mixed to avoid being predictable. The bowed triplet is of course all in the right bowing hand. You need to press down a little harder to get some scrunch while executing it. I just listened to a clip on NPR of an interview with Liz Carroll. She explains and plays examples of these two ornaments. Thanks to Findinstruments for that link, you can talk to him on this forum. Here is that Liz interview: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5232287
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banjo brad Super Moderator
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Great interview! Beautiful music! I want so bad to be that good! Listening, I find that at least I have the gracenote thing down great! Of course, mine is just (mis)timing between the bow and finger movement 
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nofrets Approved
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Roger, Thanks for your note and link. Both were great! Time to start practicing. Nofrets
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